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Yeah, it does eventually change. 12 PM is my favorite so far.
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Because you're not getting the Golden Rod for catching every fish.

Strongly disagree. If that was the reason they made it breakable due to it being a recipe, then the items should have been one time gifts. Like I said, it gives little to no incentive and zero payoff for completing the fish and bug catalog if you aren't getting something that won't solve the current problem I be within the game.

Also, to those talking about the music change, it does change from hour to hour after the Town Hall opens. However, the music is simply not as memorable as the other games in the series. I Youtubed the full soundtrack, and most songs sound like renditions of the ones before it. There are 1-2 of them that are decent, and none of them I would call good. Compared to the other games, the soundtrack is an absolute disappointment to say the least.
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The only point of yours I feel a strong need to bring up is this:

"Okay, I get that in past games, you would alternate frequently between items. However, you only had 3-4 items, from the Rod to the Slingshot."
That is simply not true. In New Leaf, I always found myself carrying a Shovel, Net, Fishing Rod, Axe, Watering Can, Slingshot, and on occasion the Toy Hammer if I was playing with a friend online, or the Bullhorn if I couldn't find a villager. That brings the total up to 6-8, and if you want to count the Swimming Suit as a tool, then that brings it up to 7-9!

New Horizons has done an amazing job with tools via the tool ring, it was the bane of my existence to go through tools in New Leaf, and it was also a huge pain in my inventory. New Horizons allows you to upgrade your inventory, so I honestly don't mind that it has me carrying a lot of tools/crafting items due to the fact that I know that I'll still have space for other things, but that's getting off topic.
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"Strongly disagree."
What are you disagreeing with exactly in what you blockquoted? I said that as a statement, not an opinion. It's true. You don't get the Golden Rod. You get the recipe, which is permanent. I even said I'm not a fan of the crafting system. But having it breakable fits with the system they put in place for this game.

Even if they made it a one time item, it would've gotten duplicated and sold. It happened in every game prior to this, and there's already a duplication glitch discovered in this game too. And it would be even more sought after due to it being the only unbreakable item, so people would make a killing off of reselling duplicated golden tools.

"it gives little to no incentive and zero payoff for completing the fish and bug catalog"
Maybe to you. But I'm a completionist regardless of whether or not there's a reward. The reward for me is seeing those empty pages gradually fill up. Is there truly a reward for beating most games anyway? Some games have new game+, and post game is getting more common nowadays, but for the most part, not really. You see the end credits, and you have a sense of personal fulfillment.
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In New Leaf, I always found myself carrying a Shovel, Net, Fishing Rod, Axe, Watering Can, Slingshot, and on occasion the Toy Hammer if I was playing with a friend online, or the Bullhorn if I couldn't find a villager

I had "beautiful town" ordnance and didn't do online, so I didn't have need for the hammer nor the watering can. Also, I never even used the bull horn. The axe is something I only ever used occasionally. I'm sure I'm not the only one who had the same 4 items in their inventory at the same time. Even if, that's what, 2-3 swipes of the D pad? With New Horizon, you switch items MUCH more, especially early on. The tool ring eliminates it to an extent, but the games inability to register another shovel on your inventory automatically after the one registered breaks is tedious and annoying. Like I said, scrolling through your items with the right and left dpad is useless here, as you likely have 2-3 of the same item and would take less time to just select it from the inventory. The tool ring would have been much easier and usefull if the items didn't break. With the breaking, you have to manually register each one over. And over. And over to add in the replacement. Just a bunch of tedious nonsense that makes the vacation feel more like a chore.
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Maybe to you

Ummmm... Not only to me, but I'm sure to many others, this is a disappointment. You say that in other games the credits is all you see at the end. Well in other animal crossings, you always get a "golden axe" that doesn't break for the prize. You are seriously going to say that it doesn't sting not getting an unbreakable item at all in the game, even after completing everything?
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"You are seriously going to say that it doesn't sting not getting an unbreakable item at all in the game, even after completing everything?"
Not particularly. It's an annoyance but it's hardly game killing, nor does it upset me. I think Animal Crossing needed a change. Don't think this is the best idea, but it's different at least.

I just want to collect things because I have a collecting buzz. I genuinely find completing collections fun and I don't need a reward for that, because the act of collecting is the fun part for me. I collected all the Pokemon in gen 1, and in gen 4, just to get an on-screen certificate for 5 seconds. There are plenty of people who feel this way, otherwise things like card and sticker collections wouldn't have been all the rage in the 90s and early 2000s.

If you're really that upset about this change you could... always just go back and play New Leaf. It's not gone away now that this game is out.
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I think Animal Crossing needed a change

I agree, but a welcomed change I don't know of anyone right now who likes having to craft items every 10 minutes, and I don't know what the developers were thinking when they made the end game gold items breakable.

I just want to collect things because I have a collecting buzz.

As do I. But now, collecting has become much more of a pain in the neck. As I mentioned in the post, the game discourages me to catch fish rather catch them at times, because I'll be in the zone and BAM, my fishing rod breaks. At times, I cut the thing off instead of pumping more time in it, because it's a hassle to craft a new one. You're not even given the option of crafting a normal rod from scratch either, since you have to first make the flimsy then make the normal. You mention Pokemon, I too am (or was) a fan. I actually completed the Dex on Gen 6. However, just imagine if Gamefreak had made Kurt the stable of the franchise and all of the balls had to be made rather than simply bought. It would have made catching them all more work, but alot less fun. And that's exactly what crafting has done in my opinion to the items in New Horizons. Everything is less fun. And playing New Leaf as an option isn't what this conversation is about. It's pointing out where New Horizons is a step back for the franchise. If you don't like the post nor agree with it, there are other posts on here that glorify the game. You could always go there. They're not gone now that this thread is out.
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"I had "beautiful town" ordnance and didn't do online"
Well that's your problem. New Horizons doesn't have an easy mode like the "Beautiful Town Ordinance". You shouldn't blame the game to force you to play the game! New Leaf was the only one to have Ordinances, so carrying a lot of tools isn't anything new, if anything, the Tool Ring is a very welcome addition to any seasoned veteran of the Animal Crossing series.
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Something that might help with the crafting issue is to carry your workbench in your inventory with you. I used to get annoyed to because I would have to run to my bench to craft more tools but now it doesn't bother me as much because I keep my bench & a few crafting materials on me.
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New Horizons doesn't have an easy mode

Yeah you're right. The game is just naturally more easier and you can't change the difficulty. From fishing to catching insects, it's all easier than past games, so stop being a brown noser to Nintendo by acting like New Horizons is a "hardcore" AC game. Also, The ordnance only eliminated a watering can. The tool ring doesn't eliminate having to swop items frequently going up cliffs and passed rivers, and what good does it do if you have to register every item again. And again. And again once they break? It's literally annoying, and I never said that carrying tools is what is annoying. I said that I can't stand the constant swapping (which no, was not nearly as frequent in other games, regardless of what you fool yourself into believing), Im sure you'll have a great comeback to this, cause you're a veteran, right?

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what about no gracie? and no uptown, and shampoodle?

I do like changing hair on demand in your home BUT they should have added makeup(not just the facepaint)
from shampoodle or special hair styles from shampoodle


And no gracie? no high end furniture sets really?


I still love it but I liked the "uptown" vibe from NL


and yes the tools breaking is annoying, and switching, and no inventory on the island I do miss..


I do think they will add these things... but people need to contact nintendo so they know what to add.


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I'm going to have to agree in some of the points made, especially points one, two, and six. I've spoken about Breath of the Wild and it seems like Nintendo carried those drawbacks from the Zelda franchise into the Animal Crossing franchise.

I have confidence that Nintendo might remedy some of the issues you listed as well as a few others people have given for review bombing the game... https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/animal-crossing-new-horizons/user-reviews?dist=negative

It's only version 1.0.0 and Nintendo can flash updates the way they couldn't during the GameCube era and rarely did during the Wii era.
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"just imagine if Gamefreak had made Kurt the stable of the franchise and all of the balls had to be made rather than simply bought"
This isn't remotely a fair comparison. Kurt is in one town that you'd have to fly to every time you want to make those balls. Not to mention there's a limited number of apricorns per day, and resetting the clock in GSC was ridiculous. In NNH, you can literally carry a workbench on you at all times and craft tools, and there's an infinite number of resources, especially with Nook Mile Tickets. I always have far more materials than I actually would ever need anyway. It's a slight detour from what you're doing, and whilst wholly unnecessary, is not super detrimental to gameplay in my opinion.

"I said that I can't stand the constant swapping (which no, was not nearly as frequent in other games, regardless of what you fool yourself into believing), Im sure you'll have a great comeback to this, cause you're a veteran, right?"
There's two more tools. The axe has another use now (farming wood), and one tool becomes redundant once you unlock bridges. If you are swapping tools way more than NL, it's because that's how you've chosen to play. And swapping tools in NL was way more fiddly, and it was even WORSE in every game prior.

"The game is just naturally more easier and you can't change the difficulty. From fishing to catching insects, it's all easier than past games, so stop being a brown noser to Nintendo by acting like New Horizons is a "hardcore" AC game."
It's not any easier imo, and I'd really like evidence to the contrary. You're only saying it's easier because you've played with Animal Crossing's mechanics so much at this point that you've gotten used to them. Animal Crossing was never hard. I don't understand how you can call the game easy in the same breath that you complain that some of the mechanics are annoying and hard to use, and that you can't have your Beautiful Town ordinance to save carrying around your watering can.

Dude, just go play New Leaf, nothing's stopping you, and you'd seemingly have a better time. If it was contained to this thread, it'd be fine, but you're spilling your negativity onto basically every thread in NH General.
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"I said that I can't stand the constant swapping"
If you can't stand something as fundamental to the Animal Crossing series such as swapping tools, even when they've made it easier than any past game, then that's something you, and only you have a problem with.

Another thing; the tool ring automatically fills in the blanks with new tools as you get them, so you're needlessly registering the tools to the empty slots. You're wasting your time and getting mad over a problem you're creating yourself.

"Dude, just go play New Leaf, nothing's stopping you, and you'd seemingly have a better time."
I agree with what ILoveACCF said. If you're too cynical to enjoy a new game, just go play New Leaf. Just because the game made changes doesnt mean its bad, it just means that you cant adapt.

(Sidenote: Please learn how to format your messages. Reading walls of text with no line breaks isn't fun for the eyes.)
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I cannot believe you guys are seriously taking up for Nintendo for a generally bad decision. If you're gonna sit there and tell me you have no issue with constant item swapping, then apparently you haven't played the game enough to experience it. Also, defending their decision to force the player to constantly craft new weapons takes away from the relaxing nature of the game. You can boohoo all you want and tell people to go play New Leaf, but it doesn't take away from the fact that New Horizons feels more like a chore than it's predecessors. You guys would brown nose Nintendo no matter what decision they make, and I gaurentee you tomorrow if Nintendo announced that you had to pay an additional 20 bucks a year to access JUST ACNH's online features, you'd be here defending them. Go ahead and tell us how it's such a great decision to include one Island per console? You call me negative because, unlike you, I am not kissing Nintendo's rear end.
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Side note:
I'm not formatting anything. No one forced you to read it. You're just butthurt because most people agree with I'm saying. Don't believe me? Look at the general score of the game on Metacritic. It's getting bombed, and whereas I don't agree with a 0, the game doesn't deserve a 9+.
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It's getting bombed primarily for the 1 island per Switch issue. In fact, I scrolled for a couple of minutes and that was the substance of every negative review I saw.

Though I agree that it doesn't deserve a 9+.
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So a lot of these are good points, and I'm sorta shocked that Nintendo releases games like this without better quality control.

Tools like the ladder and pole vault should be able to be set to an "automatic" mode, so you didn't need to take them out each time you use them. Like, you could go up to a cliff or river, and your character would automatically and temporarily switch to the needed items, use it, then switch back to what you had. Additionally, you should be able to buy stationary ladders that you can place near cliffs and just use those instead.

I think we all agree that the constant tool-crafting is annoying. It shouldn't have been in the game at all. Like, maybe for the flimsy tools. Not for others. Or if so, they should be way more durable.

(Also, GamerGyal that's actually a good idea. Never thought of that before. But we shouldn't have to do that, and it takes up inventory space.)

DIY benches should be able to pull resources from your storage if you're in your house, as others have said. And you should be able to craft multiple things at once, not just one at a time.

The customization feature feels a bit limited compared to New Leaf or Happy Home Designer.

The game often doesn't tell you things or make things obvious, and certain menus I wasn't even aware of for a few days.

The villagers are just boring background objects. Yeah, they sing, they fish, they do whatever, but talking to them is extremely repetitive and bland, and it gets worse in each game.

The Nook ticket islands are too boring because they usually have nothing of value on them.

They could have found a better job for Harvey.

And so many things they took out...

Now, I still love this game. And almost any game I love, I could make a list like this, of all its flaws. (Ask me about the Gamecube version. Or any Super Smash Bros. game.)

But this has been a trend with Nintendo. From Pokemon, to Zelda, to Yoshi, to Mario Party or Mario Sports games... the games just get too many annoying quirks in them that should have been tested more.

This game is $60 and highly anticipated. It should not have had so many flaws at launch.
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" You can boohoo all you want and tell people to go play New Leaf"
The only one boohooing is you. I'm enjoying the game for what it is - different from the other games in the franchise. In fact, I'm telling you to play New Leaf exactly because of that, not because I'm upset but rather because you seem to be - you seem to be comparing it to New Leaf constantly, and if it's New Leaf you want... Just play New Leaf? That's the logical conclusion, right?

"but it doesn't take away from the fact that New Horizons feels more like a chore than it's predecessors"
In your opinion. You don't find it fun. You don't have to. But it gets to a point where it feels like you're making up issues that don't exist (i.e. difficulty, tool ring somehow being a bigger pain than scrolling through tools in New Leaf or manually equipping in older games, swapping between tools being more frequent to the point of annoyance) to fuel your distaste for the game.

" You guys would brown nose Nintendo no matter what decision they make, and I gaurentee you tomorrow if Nintendo announced that you had to pay an additional 20 bucks a year to access JUST ACNH's online features, you'd be here defending them."
Actually... No. I didn't buy Sword & Shield because I was disappointed in basically every decision Nintendo made for that game, and bought TemTem instead. I didn't buy a Wii U because I found its library underwhelming. I'm not a Nintendo fan girl by any means (I play more PC indie games than anything, honestly) and they've made decisions I disagreed with. But ultimately that's the direction they chose to take those products in, they're not for me, so I didn't buy them, and I moved on with my life.

But New Horizons isn't one of Nintendo's bad decisions so far in my opinion (my mind is subject to change the more I play, with that said), and you haven't even let the dust settle before you go full on criticising it.

There's really no point arguing with you anymore. It's clear you've made up your mind at this point. I just personally don't understand the point in getting annoyed, comparing it to a game you prefer, when that game still exists and you can just play it instead.

"I'm not formatting anything. No one forced you to read it."
You know this is a forum right?
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"Go ahead and tell us how it's such a great decision to include one Island per console?"
Actually no, that upsets me a lot. Being unable to share the game with friends without having them clutter up my town really sucks, and I agree with that.
When GameFreak cut over half of the PokeDex, I was upset and didn't buy Sword/Shield. Contrary to what you think, I'm a human with opinions, not some mindless drone.

You should have fully expected a toxic thread when typing up this post. Instead of having a good time with what is there, you're complaining about whats different and what isn't there.
New Leaf is probably my least favorite in the series for a multitude of reasons, but I respect that you like it more than New Horizons, especially since I can feel sympathy for you for experiencing the same thing for New Leaf as you are with New Horizons.

If you'd actually read my posts, I started off with:
"The only point of yours I feel a strong need to bring up is this"
thus implying that I only had a complaint with one of your issues with the game, but apparently you're getting to heated to be civil and remember anything that I've actually said to you.

I'm done arguing with you. Call me any name you want if it makes you feel better, but this thread is going deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole and frankly, I don't want to be apart of it anymore.
Goodbye.
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Hey everyone. I'm not sure why I read through this entire post. I expected it to be negative, and it is. Negativity, unfortunately, is often toxic and I really didn't want to read something that would bum me out. However, it seems like a lot of us have and are currently in the same boat. I'm not going to say anyone's opinion is wrong, but I did want to share just one opinion of my own because I am CLEARLY the minority here: I do not mind the tools breaking. Yes, you read that correctly. In fact, I was just telling my friend that I really LIKED this change from previous AC games because it gave you something to work toward regularly. It felt like a welcome change, expanding the chores you complete regularly to upkeep your town (akin to watering flowers).

I'm not sure how I feel about golden tools breaking yet, but I will point out one other thing: AC games are fun because there are things to do. I played NL every single day for the first year it was out, but stopped shortly thereafter. It was because I ran out of things to do. Watering flowers was unnecessary because of the ordinance. My house was fully decorated exactly how I wanted. I had all the villagers I wanted. Etc etc etc. Things not being permanent is just one way to avoid such stagnation down the road. I, for one, welcome such changes and hope there are more yet-undiscovered changes like this along the way.
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dukedudeston:

Ahh, OK. Sorry for the miscommunication.

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Otherwise, I am out. This thread took a sad turn unfortunately. When people start arguing about opinions as if they're facts it's time for me to leave.
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1. I 100% Agree with you there!
2. Agreed.
3. Also agree.
4. Wait until you try fishing in Pocket Camp. (I still agree though)
5. I get wisp every night, but i've only encountered Guliver once.
6. I actually really like ACNH's music.
7. 100% agreed.

I also don't like how slow paced the game is at the start, especially how I had to wait for the museum just to get a shovel and cross rivers! Don't get me started on the mountain of bugs and fish I had in the middle of town before unlocking it! They should have at least gave us that and Nook's Cranny at the start. However, the game gets more fun afterwards.
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