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luxanna
 
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4/16 9:08pm
because yall are too vague.
apparently just mentioning anxiety gets your post edited and you get a notification for it. yet talking about physical illnesses like the stomach flu and talking about throwing up is just fine.
theres no consistency to how these reports are issued. some posts saying very similar things will get modmin edits where others will not. the excuse is always "we cant read every post" (the site is so dead, i'm sure you could at least read a few more than you do, its literally your job.)

im also just very annoyed that talking about anxiety isnt allowed. to an extent i can understand straight up dedicated threads to it not being allowed as long as everything else is blocked too, but even posts just MENTIONING it or any other mental health problems get removed. this doesnt help anyone, if we're just mentioning it we're not seeking or giving advice, its just being mentioned yet that isnt allowed. why? it just encourages the stigma.
majority of this site is filled with older people now anyways. id give a guess and say most people on this site have experienced anxiety and depression. a lot of people also go through it at younger ages anywyays.


this rule really needs to be revised. just mentioning things shouldn't get you tickets. perhaps make it more detailed like no giving or asking for advice because the forum isnt for that. that i can understand. but in threads in the off topic board where people arent doing that? come on. its just ridiculous. i'm so tired of the inconsistency.
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Somewhat, I do agree. Some of the comments that are removed, I do not understand why. I saw someone mention they were diagnosed with cancer, and the comment was removed. I’m not quite sure why just mentioning it isn’t allowed.

Some things we can’t mention are common sense, but others, it can be really vague. The most common sense I see this happen in is with medical issues. What medical issues are okay to mention? Surely, there has to be a difference between, “I have cancer. Can someone help me?” and “I have been diagnosed with cancer.” Right?
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luxanna
 
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4/16 9:08pm
^thats pretty much where i stand on it. i agree that sure, this isnt the place to be seeking medical advice, for obvious reasons. but in appropriate threads, shouldn't we be able to just mention things at least? even if we aren't allowed to go into details, that i could understand.
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I'm honestly a bit surprised to learn that the post Croco just referenced was taken down. I'd kind of assumed that the standard was that having a physical sickness/disease would be allowed, but that discussion of things like anxiety, depression, or other mental health problems could take someone to a dark place. And I've seen quite a few members here say that they're appreciative that ACC doesn't let the conversations go too deep down that rabbit hole, for their own personal reasons. I am glad this is a place that allows those people to feel safe, in that respect.

Cancer to me seems like more of a gray area, since it is obviously one of the most serious and devastating physical illnesses, which sets it apart from things like stomach bugs. I guess it's erring on the side of caution, but he was handling it very well in his post. I know it's hard to moderate a website to allow for some freedoms, while also remaining family-friendly. I guess they feel like allowing any form of anxiety discussion on the public boards is a "slippery slope". There's no easy answer really.

I still think the private thread leeway is pretty good on these topics, and a lot freer than I remember it being years ago.
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luxanna
 
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4/16 9:08pm
but i feel like cancer is a lot heavier than mentioning anxiety. ive literally seen posts get removed for people saying things like "manic depression was worse today" and not even going into detail about it. like not even mentioning things like self harm or anything, just those words and it didnt lead to a discussion.

i definitely agree there shoulnt really be public discussions on it, i just feel like we shouldn't get punished just for mentioning it. silencing people from even mentioning their mental health issues when theyre allowed to talk about physical health especially just encourages the stigma.

like ive seen both get taken down but from my experience it seems like they go after ANY mention of mental health waaay more than physical stuff. and that just doesnt sit right with me.
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GavinGoneGlobal
 
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Like before, I'm going to pre-face this to say, this reply is not being screened/reviewed by any other Modmins, so please keep that in mind that this is just my personal view as a Moderator; it's not the "official ACC stance" of anything.


First off, I mentioned my take on the mental illnesses in the "Voice your Opinion about the Rules" thread, but if you don't want to read all of that, here's an excerpt. It focuses more on the topic of depression, but I think it applies to anxiety as well:

"On the subject of Topics Not Allowed, I definitely respect that many users have varying health-related issues. But it's not always as clear-cut as "I have depression", "Me too!", "Me too, here's how I found out", "Me too, here's what my therapist told me". If discussions were just like that, then I'd personally be in favor of amending the rule.

However, it can sometimes take a much darker turn. If people haven't dealt with their depression so well, they may have "darker" posts they want to share. Is it fair for someone to be able to say "I'm taking these meds, and they work well ", and someone else is not allowed to say "I tried that and the side effects were horribly, because [something dark happened]"? There's a huge line that will need to be drawn, and it may be unfair if all we can do is promote "positive" discussion about illness, while ignoring the very true & very real other side to it.

And obviously there's more than just depression -- what if someone has another type of mental illness? There are many out there. It would be quite offensive for us to cherry pick which illnesses are "allowed" to be talked about."
So, even though anxiety itself isn't an inherently dangerous topic, I would feel absolutely disgusted if I had to issue a violation to someone for discussing their mental illness, while those who suffer from other mental illnesses are allowed a free pass. There should never be a list of "allowed illnesses" and "disallowed illnesses", under any circumstance.


Second, there's been a vibe on ACC (not just with you, but others as well) that the Mods "target mental illness way more than anything else", and I disagree.

If somebody says "I had a panic attack today", that's not allowed. If someone says "I had a heart attack today", also not allowed. So in that reign, I do think we're being consistent in the physical/mental aspects.

If somebody says "I suffer from anxiety", or "I suffer from Parkinson's", both of those fall under Topics Not Allowed, too; both are specific, diagnosable illnesses.

On the other hand, if someone says "I had a blah day", that's allowed, despite being mental. If someone says "I got sick today and couldn't go into work", that's allowed, despite being physical. In both cases, they aren't going too deep into the details, they're just vaguely talking about what ruined their day.

The rule against discussing account status/ticket status applies to Mods, as well, so I can't acknowledge the specific tickets/violations mentioned above. But hopefully my reply helps shed some light on the thought process.

I'll leave this thread flagged as well if anyone else has any other questions about this.
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luxanna
 
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4/16 9:08pm
but mentioning what you have isnt going into details. my issue is that just by mentioning it, its literally not even going into a discussion at all , people arent even saying anything in response, people are getting posts removed for saying "i have anxiety". that just seems ridiculous to me.
it feels like theyre putting way too much weight on things. just mentioning depression isnt "dark" its just mentioning depression.

i can understand not wanting discussions to start from it. but i think its ridiculous that so much as mentioning things with names and words and calling it what it is isnt allowed.
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GavinGoneGlobal
 
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"but mentioning what you have isnt going into details. my issue is that just by mentioning it, its literally not even going into a discussion at all , people arent even saying anything in response"
"i can understand not wanting discussions to start from it. but i think its ridiculous that so much as mentioning things with names and words and calling it what it is isnt allowed."
Forgive me if I'm wrong (& feel free to tell me!), but it seems the proposed change is to allow users in the "made/ruined" thread to discuss mental & physical issues, so long as nobody responds.

In my opinion, that seems like it would only further confuse everyone; why should that thread (or others like it) have a special exemption to the rule? Or, what if someone does reply? Sometimes users will quote something someone said, and make a brief comment, before making their post. Would that risk crossing into discussion?

Pretty much every rule applies to all boards/topics equally. Allowing users to bypass part of "Topics Not Allowed" in a specific style of thread seems it would only make the already-confusing rule worse, and lead to further frustration later.

And again, if I'm misunderstanding your idea, let me know -- these are the same questions I'd ask if another mod brought up this idea, so please don't feel I'm "putting down" the suggestion. I know a lot of users feel the same way you do, and I'd love if everyone, users & mods, could come to an agreement of a change that wouldn't further confuse things, or make others feel further isolated.
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luxanna
 
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4/16 9:08pm
where did i say it should apply to that thread specifically? mental illness affects all aspects of life, it can come up in any thread without provoking a discussion.


i would give an example, but i would get a notification because itd be 'too specific' or whatever. see what i mean
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