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PikaGal444
 
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I'm not exactly sure if this would be the right board to post this thread to, but as of this posting there wasn't a discussion thread for the language filter announcement. Please let me know if this should go somewhere else or if an official thread has been made already.

But anyway, being LGBT+ myself (ace/aro nonbinary), I'm not exactly happy with the q-word being removed from the site's language filter. While I'm personally indifferent to the word itself, I don't use it out of respect for the LGBT+ people who are uncomfortable with it because of its use as a derogatory term. Its remove may have been for those who want to use it as an identifier term and reclaimed word, but there are LGBT+ people who are still uncomfortable with the word, and especially don't want cishet people on the site to be using it and using it as a slur. Even if using the word in a derogatory manner is against the site rules, that still won't stop people from doing it.

Anyone else want to have their say in this, preferably if you're also LGBT+?
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I certainly see and understand your reasoning, but there are other mean words which don't have a filter. Fortunately, using these words in a derogatory manner does not happen often on ACC. However, if something  does occur that uses the word in a derogatory manner, someone can always report it by clicking the button on a post, just like they would if any other word is used in a mean way.

I like that they took it out of the filter because it allows people who are queer to express themselves more openly, but another big reason I like this announcement is because it lets people use it for its other meaning which is "strange; odd" according to Google.com.
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I'm not sure when the discussion started (I'd guess a fairly long time ago), but I know I brought up removing 'queer' from the filter a couple months ago after reading a LGBT user's post in the VYO thread that they wanted to use the word to describe themself.  More than 1 other staff member, including some who I believe where strongly supportive of LGBT people, agreed that it should be removed.  If you search "is queer reclaimed" on google, you will find that all but 1 source on the front page say that it is reclaimed, including some LGBT activist groups.  Some of them even claim that it is better to use than the other terms describing LGBT people, as it is more inclusive.

"Even if using the word in a derogatory manner is against the site rules, that still won't stop people from doing it."
A couple of years ago, 'gay' was in the filter.  It was removed for the exact same reason that queer was.  I haven't seen anyone misuse the word since it was removed from the filter.  And, at least in my experiences in real life, people use 'gay' in a derogatory way a lot more often than 'queer'.  While I'm not going to say that it will never happen, I don't think it will be common at all.

"but another big reason I like this announcement is because it lets people use it for its other meaning which is "strange; odd" according to Google.com."
I'm not a mod, but I'd be very careful with this.  That is not a common usage of the word anymore; it's more of old English.  If you are quoting an old piece of literature that is otherwise appropriate, you'll probably be fine (although I'd check with a mod first).  If you are just using it to mean unusual in your own words (ex. "that lamp looks ____"), I'd be extremely careful with that.  Even if you aren't meaning it in a harmful way, you are essentially sending the message that self-identified queer people (who use the word in a prideful manner) are "unusual".  A mod would be able to better explain the contexts in which it would be acceptable, but I'd be very careful with it, especially considering it isn't commonly used in that way today.




I'd also be interested to hear more responses to this, especially from LGBT people.  From what I understand, this decision was made on the basis that very few people find it offensive, and that the benefit LGBT people would get from being able to more accurately describe themselves would be greater than the harm done to anyone who is potentially offended by it.
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Oh! Don't worry, I don't think LGBTQ people are odd! I support that they're open about it. I believe everybody should be able to like whatever gender they like, and if not any, that's fine too! I do understand that using the word "queer" as the old English version of strange could be misinterpreted. I'll stay away from the word, then.
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yeah im lgbt (transgender, aroace pan or something like that its besides the point)

the q slur makes me feel physically sick whenever i have to see it or hear it and so far the only people ive seen use it on this site are people who dont even have the right to reclaim it (and then using the excuse that it means weird which only makes me feel worse, its not a real excuse to use the word at all hardly anyone uses it with that definition any more)

i dont see why you'd remove a slur from the filter whether certain people can reclaim it or not, acc is supposed to be a good place you can come without fear of seeing anything offensive or upsetting and since its been removed there isnt like.. that comfortable-ness anymore of not having to worry about seeing Bad Stuff

if people identify with the word then Ok but it doesnt change the fact that its a slur that upset me and many other people i know to a great extent
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as a non binary & pan person I was quite surprised too seeing the announcement. Personally it doesn't have a huge impact on myself, but I definitely thought a lot of people still wouldn't want to see it, therefore I wasn't expecting it, because I expected that ACC would take more of the better safe than sorry route if you know what I mean (eg it still offends some people, so it's best not to include it) though I know the majority of people say it's reclaimed, it's an individual thing as it has been a slur for so long, which is why I wouldn't use it even if it didn't bother me... is it really essential?

I'm not sure how much it's going to be used around ACC or in profiles. I don't use it to describe myself but I know some people in real life that do. When I was reading the announcement though, I felt upset knowing that some people reading it could feel immensely uncomfortable.

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Here is a link to the thread where this was discussed, particularly the last 10 or so posts.

It appears that the change was made under the assumption that the word was fully reclaimed and that no one found it offensive.  That is obviously not the case based on this thread.

I'll bring this thread to the mods' attention.  I can't promise a change, but this thread certainly provides new information to the discussion.  They should also be able to explain whether or not it is okay to use it in the old English way.

"Oh! Don't worry, I don't think LGBTQ people are odd!"
I just want to make it clear that I wasn't accusing you of that; I just wanted to make sure people didn't misinterpret what you were trying to say.
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Hey all,

First off I want to say thanks for posting this, and thanks to all of you that have responded so far. We absolutely value any and all feedback from the community, and will take your opinions into consideration moving forward. Anyhow, I'd like to take a bit to explain why we came to the decision to remove the Q-word from the filter, as well as address some of your specific concerns.

In the past ~year and a half, we've received suggestions from numerous members about removing the word from the filter. The first mention I can find of it is from shortly after we removed the words "lesbian" and "gay" from the filter; suggesting that since we now allow gay/lesbian/bisexual, it would make sense to allow "queer" as well.

Also up until this thread, the only LGBTQ individuals that have commented upon the word to us (to my knowledge) were asking for it to be removed from the filter; expressing that they rarely see the word used in a derogatory manner, and that it would be beneficial for people that use the word as an identifier to be able to use it on the site. So, when it came time to review possible words to remove from the filter, pretty much all (if not all) of the moderators agreed that it's reasonable to remove "queer" from the filter, as long as we make it clear that any derogatory use of the word is against the rules and will not be tolerated.

But evidently, not everyone feels the same way and many of you are concerned over the removal of the word from the filter. Regarding the word being used as a slur now that it's out of the filter, I just want to reiterate that we absolutely won't tolerate use of the word in that way, and if any reports are sent in on any posts doing so (or a moderator comes across it), the message will be removed. While we can't be everywhere or see everything posted around the site, all users can send in a ticket if they see anything that upsets them. So please, if you do see this word (or any others) used in a way that bothers you, even if you're not sure if it's a clear violation of the rules, don't hesitate to send in a ticket. Just click the button to the side of the post, write up a description about the situation, and we'll evaluate it and do what we can.

PikaGal444 makes a valid point that even if it's against the rules to use the word in a derogatory manner, that still won't stop people from doing so. It's definitely a problem we face in regards to the rules, and a large reason why moderators exist in the first place. Of course we'd appreciate if everyone simply followed the rules, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that to happen. So inevitably we have to manually edit things out, and deal with rule violations as needed.

I'd also like to point out that, in my opinion, the language filter tends to deter innocent use of words more than it deters malicious use (in the case of words such as this one that can be used in multiple ways). There are unfortunately ways to bypass the filter, and most of the time if someone wants to cause trouble they won't let the filter get in their way. On the other hand, a user that wishes to abide by the rules tends to be swayed against posting a word if they learn that it's in the filter. What I'm trying to get at is that by removing "queer" from the filter, I expect the majority of the "new" use that will occur will be in a positive way; as an identifier for the most part. Whereas even when we had the word in the filter, if someone really wanted to use it as a slur, they knew that it was a hurtful thing to do and probably wouldn't have thought twice about bypassing the filter anyway.

Of course I'm not trying to invalidate any of your opinions, I fully understand that some of you may be uncomfortable with the use of the word in any circumstance and would prefer for it not to be used at all. Just please understand that we're trying our best to please everyone on the site, but that it's impossible for us to truly cater to everyone. So realistically, with whatever decision we make there will almost always be someone that disagrees with it. That being said, I'm going to link the rest of the mods to this thread and make sure that they're aware of your feedback. I can't guarantee that we'll make any further actions regarding the word "queer"; speaking for myself I think it may be a bit hasty to double back and add the word back in so soon. I'd prefer to wait and see how it works out before making a decision to do anything, or not to do anything. However this thread has definitely made me reconsider my viewpoint on the word being removed, and showed me that it's not as straightforward as I thought, so thank you for that.

Lastly, about using the old English definition of the word, I'm not certain about this but I think it would probably be okay. If I had to make a suggestion though, I would say to steer away from using it in that way as it could be misinterpreted. All in all, it would have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and it's possible that a minor violation could be given if it was used carelessly in a way that could offend others.

Thanks!
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I'd like to speak on this as a gay and trans staff member:

The word is a slur. I reclaim it, but not many others have. The old English definition, in my eyes and mostly every other LGBTQ person, is not an acceptable reason for any non-LGBTQ person to use the word, as non-LGBTQ people have used it against us, historically.

I'm not sure of my stance on this anymore, for while I do reclaim the word, I sympathize with others who have not been able to. If it makes any LGBTQ person uncomfortable if non-LGBTQ people use the word, even in its old English form (it certainly bothers me), then I think it's best that its removal from the filter is reconsidered.

A sound compromise could be to add a personal language filter that blocks out words you personally don't like - but at the same time, it's highly anti-LGBTQ for anyone non-LGBTQ to be using the word, and the possibility of them using it is rather bothersome.
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ACC is different now than it was in its heyday.  I'm not seeing the same level of activity it once had, nor am I seeing the same level of immaturity, trolling, flaming, lack of social skills, and lack of respect that used to plague this site.  Seems like ACC has grown up in more than one way.  

There comes a time when you have to trust people.  I think it's great to see ACC roll with the times and with what the members have requested.  Members can still report those who are using words in a derogatory manner. Those who do, can pay the price for being jerks.  If the newly removed words prove to be a big problem, then it could be readdressed.

ACC will NEVER accommodate everyone.  Maybe this a fantastic opportunity to teach those who don't quite get what it's all about, and to see if the  community can rise to the occasion and show that we are capable of respecting all people here.  
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"but at the same time, it's highly anti-LGBTQ for anyone non-LGBTQ to be using the word, and the possibility of them using it is rather bothersome."
Dumb question - if someone uses the word as a self-identifier, is it unacceptable for non-LGBT people to use it to describe that same person (given it is in the same context as they use it)?

If it's something where only LGBT people can use it to describe themselves in any situation, I think it should go back into the filter.  From what I understand, some people use it to refer to themselves (for example, if you don't identify as either male or female, it might work better than heterosexual/homosexual).  If no one uses it as the main word to describe themselves in that aspect and it is just another secondary word that can be used but is still sometimes offensive, it should just go back into the filter.  Explaining that certain people can use it and certain people can't could be confusing for some (not to mention discriminatory by nature).
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I would like to take this opportunity as a member of the Modmin team to echo some of the things that have recently been mention by others, for the sake of adding some additional emphasis.
"ACC will NEVER accommodate everyone."
While we do our very best as Moderators to listen to the wishes of the community so we can accommodate the majority of ACC's members, there will always be members who want something that's different from the majority's wishes and therefore it will always be impossible, no matter the subject, to please everyone who frequents this website.
"Explaining that certain people can use it and certain people can't could be confusing for some (not to mention discriminatory by nature)."
This is one of the most important things the Modmin team needs to keep in mind at all times. We can never allow some things to some members, while disallowing other members the exact same thing. If we started doing this, we would never be able to act fairly or consistently and that would only result in chaos and a lot of very angry ACC members. Think about how you would feel if member 'A' was allowed to use the word 'queer' without consequences, but you yourself would receive a violation simply for doing so, even though you didn't use it in a derogatory manner?
"The old English definition, in my eyes and mostly every other LGBTQ person, is not an acceptable reason for any non-LGBTQ person to use the word, as non-LGBTQ people have used it against us, historically."
I would be very careful making a statement like this, as it smells of Trolling & Generalised Insults to me, more specifically: "Similarly, any posts that are offensive to a general group of people are not allowed." You are saying that, because some non-LGBT people historically have used it in a derogatory manner, that if any non-LGBT person uses the word, it would automatically be derogatory as well, regardless of situation or context?
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Just adding my two pennies worth. I'm a totally different generation to many of you, and also British. Reading some of the posts on here, I can see instantly who is on the other side of the Atlantic or in a country where the LGBT community is still, or recently, ''fighting the fight'', but that's not the case for all LGBT generations and all LGBT in other countries.  

My friends and I personally use the word ''queer'' in what some of you are describing as ''old'' English. I feel the need to accuse people of being ageist.

Seriously though, some of the comments about the word being ''old English'' could be seen as ''queer'' itself depending on which generation you are in and probably which country you are in. As much as some can say that the word is highly sensitive, others may say that it never was sensitive originally and still not reached the point where it has become highly offensive (as some of the racial words have become), and therefore can easily be reclaimed for original use or claimed by the LGBT community.

Forgetting oldies like me for a bit, as others have said, there was feedback and requests from the LGBT community which factored into our decision to remove the word from the filter. However, as with any rule or policy on ACC, it is subject to change depending on circumstances so we will monitor it over the next few months.
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"You are saying that, because some non-LGBT people historically have used it in a derogatory manner, that if any non-LGBT person uses the word, it would automatically be derogatory as well, regardless of situation or context?"
well really.... yes.. anyone using a slur they cannot reclaim regardless of context or the slur at hand is derogatory

its not just america or wherever where people are anti-lgbt, there still is a lot of hate for it in britain... i mean im from ireland and although things are getting better, transphobia and homophobia are still things ive to deal with whenever i leave the house and im sure its the same in any other country. its hard to notice when youre not on the receiving end

i dunno its something else when i have to ask people (who cant reclaim it in the first place) not to use that slur around me and i get told its my own problem and to deal with it
one of the points of acc is its a place where everyone can feel more or less comfortable and safe, not like other websites where theres little to no mod action where getting told to "deal with it" is just part of the deal
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I'm going to reply as a member (and not as a Mod) now.

I'm conscious that the word has been used as a slur by an unfortunate group of people (now as well as in the past) with regards to the LGBT+ community. However, this (in my opinion) does not make the word a bad word alltogether.

I don't regularly use the word in spoken language but do sometimes use it in written language to describe something I experience as "odd" or "strange". Completely unrelated to the issues still experienced by the LGBT+ community in some parts of the world. This does not mean that I am anti-LGBT+ or that I am a bad person. The word existed long before it was evetually used by someone in a derogatory manner.

Again, as a member (and not as a Moderator), if I describe a piece of furniture which looks strange using that particular word, and a member of the LGBT+ community is offended because of this (even though I was talking about a piece of furniture), then I think people do need to take a step back, get off their high horse and get some perspective.
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i did not know not wanting to hear a word, regardless of the context, that is used against you and your friends every day and being reminded of all the hate youve received using that word was being on a "high horse"
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"its not just america or wherever where people are anti-lgbt, there still is a lot of hate for it in britain... i mean im from ireland and although things are getting better, transphobia and homophobia are still things ive to deal with whenever i leave the house and im sure its the same in any other country. its hard to notice when youre not on the receiving end"
FruityPear - Having been born and brought up in London, anti-LGBT is something I've not experienced and my LGBT friends will probably say that they've experienced less of it than others from different parts of England or the world. However, just because I'm not in the LGBT group, it doesn't mean I've not experienced hate or discrimination. I'm coloured for start, and female, and now middle-aged. So, all my life I've experienced some type of discrimination. Sure, I can't compare one type of discrimination against another but I don't think anyone can. However, I will say that what may appear to be straightforward wrong/right or black/white changes with experience and time.

There was a time that any joke comment against coloured people was seen as racist. Then along came comedians from the ethnic minorities group and poked fun at themselves and their own race. Slowly, people realised that comments and jokes don't necessarily mean that someone is racist, but it is about the context.

Having lived a long time than many on here, I've seen the same progression for ethnic minorities, women's rights, the disabled and probably a few more. The fact is that when discrimination is identified, it tends to bring out extremes - those extremely against, and those extremely for. Both sides always appear to me to be highly sensitive, and both sides always take offense easily to comments made from the other. In all cases, the middle ground is where it ends up.
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"Again, as a member (and not as a Moderator), if I describe a piece of furniture which looks strange using that particular word, and a member of the LGBT+ community is offended because of this (even though I was talking about a piece of furniture), then I think people do need to take a step back, get off their high horse and get some perspective."
Amrasje, do you mean that people who use the word commonly should take a step back or that people who are offended by the word should take a step back? My apologies, I'm a bit at a loss with this sentence.

"Dumb question - if someone uses the word as a self-identifier, is it unacceptable for non-LGBT people to use it to describe that same person (given it is in the same context as they use it)?"
Most say yes - I personally don't like it at all and I use it as a self-identifier occasionally. Generally speaking on behalf of the LGBT community, I'd say yes - to be safe.

"You are saying that, because some non-LGBT people historically have used it in a derogatory manner, that if any non-LGBT person uses the word, it would automatically be derogatory as well, regardless of situation or context?"
It's not necessarily derogatory - you, of course, wouldn't have any anti-LGBT intentions if you were to be describing an odd piece of furniture. It's more the fact that hearing and/or seeing the word might be upsetting to some LGBT individuals, especially if the word is being spoken by someone that's non-LGBT. Since non-LGBT people have used the word against us, it's rather uncomfortable us to see a non-LGBT person use the word. I hope that makes sense.

I was completely for the word being removed from the filter entirely in the past, but maybe the word is best left in PTs where it can be used with the users' discretion. I might want to use the word in passing in referring to myself but I wouldn't do so now on the public boards knowing that other users might see it and feel upset.

As Fruity expressed, the word may give one memories of experiences with anti-LGBT sentiment and hate. I understand their frustration with these circumstances.
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"LGBT+ people who are uncomfortable with it because of its use as a derogatory term"
"It's highly anti-LGBTQ for anyone non-LGBTQ to be using the word"
These ideas seem to be the brunt of the points raised in this discussion and the arguments for the word being placed back into the filter, so I am going to give my views on them and also explain why I think the word should be able to be said. Unfortunately I'm not LGBTQ, but I'm trying to think about this considering a different word which I don't like to hear myself. In case you're wondering why I have no objections about the word being able to be used now, I'm glad that some other people are happy that they can now use this word since they identify with and fit themselves in with it.
Firstly I have to ask, what is it about that makes it anti-LGBTQ, specifically when anyone non-LGBTQ uses it? I believe it's up to the person using and hearing or seeing the word that defines what context the word is used in, rather than the word itself. Largely, this is down to the intentions of the person, and the sensitivity of others. So why should we take down a word when any conflictions are due to the people that use it? This criterion could be applied to several other homonyms that have good and bad meanings, which I'm not going to mention, but they are not removed.

Here's an example of the word being used. This is an extract from a poem, named "Across the Bay" by a man named Donald Davie.

"A queer thing about those waters: there are no
Birds there, or hardly any.
I did not miss them, I do not remember
Missing them, or thinking it uncanny.

The beach so-called was a blinding splinter of limestone,
A quarry outraged by hulls.
We took pleasure in that: the emptiness, the hardness
Of the light, the silence, and the water’s stillness."
This poem was written in the 1980s which is fairly recent. I think it's a nice poem, where the narrator expresses a great loneliness in their life while at the same time appreciating the beautiful world. I chose this because it's a great example of the word being used in a completely harmless way, for art and the pleasure of people who enjoy reading. If you are LGBTQ+, does this poem offend you? Would you want the second word of the poem removed, even though nobody wants to hurt you with it?

This is, I feel, the bottom line. I've forgotten many things in my life that caused me some problems. I forgot I owed my friend some money for a sandwich once. I didn't sort out any food for my husband coming in from work because I fell asleep. I've probably used words before or said things that people thought were offensive but I had no idea. It's often very clear when something was said or done out of spite or out of revenge, and I have to agree with everyone who has made the point about the modmins removing the instances of the word being used in a bad or offensive manner. It's the solution to a price some people may feel we have to pay to allow some other people to be happy and/or express themselves in a way that they weren't able to before and wanted to.
For everyone who doesn't like to hear the word because it brings out some bad memories, or doesn't like the word, this is what I would say to you. While I can understand that the mention of a word is enough to bring back memories, and something you'd rather not hear (I can totally understand because there are words that remind me of a bad time I had at school with bullies) this reminds me of an old saying. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." I'm gathering that the use of the word in a nasty way would be a very rare thing, but if it does happen, why should it affect you? Absolutely NO-ONE would be on the side of the person who was mean to you. No-one at all! The best way to deal with such a situation would be to turn a blind eye and turn in the incident to the Moderators. People who are mean to you, whether they do this with words or not, are never liked by more people than people who like you. And like it's been implied, it's a rare thing to be trolled with this "new word" as a weapon, so to speak. Even if you are, there's such an easy way to deal with this that can be applied to real life too.

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Some people don't like the word being removed from the filter. Isn't it really down to the people who are using the word, rather than the word itself?
Some people like the fact that they can freely use the word to describe themselves. I'm happy that they are happy with this and I hope we can keep it that way.
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"Amrasje, do you mean that people who use the word commonly should take a step back or that people who are offended by the word should take a step back? My apologies, I'm a bit at a loss with this sentence."
I do indeed mean that the people who are offended by the description of an odd piece of furniture need to take a step back.
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I don't understand why the q word is so important to everyone's vocabulary when it's clearly offensive to multiple people and brings up bad experiences, especially when you could easily replace it with the word strange*. The only time when the use of the word is important IMO is when it's used as a self-identifier for those who don't feel any other "label" is accurate enough. Only then should it be questioned whether or not it is acceptable (in my opinion).

Personally I think that only those who identify with it should be allowed to use it, but this could cause issues as yankees24cano put it:
"Explaining that certain people can use it and certain people can't could be confusing for some."
Perhaps it could be put back in the filter, but have it written in the rules that the word can be used by those who identify with it who would have to bypass the filter. (The horror! )

*EDIT: Just read over my post and would like to clarify that this replacement only makes sense when talking about, as previously mentioned for example, furniture. Not people!! Yikes!
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iolite i wasn't implying you haven't faced discrimination and i apologise if it was taken that way, i'll admit my post (any probably other posts) were worded badly because i'm no professional speaker and this is a kinda emotional topic for me

i understand of course that some people may use the word and not mean it in a derogatory way at all, and i understand nothing is black and white or strictly evil/good (although my emotions often go to extremes due to certain mental illnesses but i don't want to discuss that here)

it's just people should be careful of who they say it around and i feel it only makes sense that if someone says "that word makes me uncomfortable, please don't use it around me" that the person who used it should oblige, and not just tell them to "get over it/deal with it" or tell them "that's your own problem", as i was told

also the meanings of words change so i think as the word is becoming more and more commonly used to refer to LGBT people, just be aware of the other meanings of what you say may have

wakkity explained it a lot better than me if im honest

edit: ruby ya hit the nail on the head there
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Well, then, I politely urge you to consider our perspectives again:

While some might say that the word is harmless without malicious intent, it's still, by nature, a slur. Meaning that regardless of the context that it is said in, the word is - pretty much - "tainted." Words not only carry a definition value, but a historical value. The fact is that cis-straight people have used the word against trans and SGA (same-gender attracted) people. I've repeated myself, but I will add more context: since the word has been used against us and trans/SGA people are systemically oppressed, the word carries the weight of oppression. The value and the connotation of the word has changed and been twisted - sadly twisted.

It's the twisted history of the word that makes it anti-LGBT for cis-straight individuals to use the word. They have no place to. They benefit from institutions that oppress trans and SGA people - words like such, in the past, perpetuated prejudice and hatred. To this day, the q slur still does - in certain areas of the world. For a cis-straight individual to use the word, especially consciously knowing of its history of oppression is incredibly uncomfortable for us.

Which is why I implore you to "step back" yourself and also turn around: no matter what the intentions of the word are, no one can change its history. One can pretend that using the word is fine, and that the word is acceptable in use, but it sits there - an eyesore, a reminder. It's important that we keep the interests of these people in mind. It's not just a matter of "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." In quite a few cases, words do hurt and they can hurt a heck of a lot more than sticks and stones. The q-slur has been used to perpetuate oppression - oppression which has led to trans and SGA individuals being murdered and denied basic human rights.

While I don't mind, as a trans and SGA individual, using the word for myself, I agree that it is best left off of ACC or in PTs. And in the context that Laura presented the word in, even then I would advise censoring the word out or not posting it on ACC. Again, it's the presence of the word that hurts, not the manner in which it is being used.

I hope that puts things in perspective.
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I actually find it amusing that there's so much talk about queer becoming "tainted". That strikes me as a quite misguided view of language. Words, at their core, are simply a series of letters. It's the context in which they are used and the intended meaning behind them that gives them power. Being so obstinate as to not even entertain the idea of a word being used in a different context comes across to me as the antithesis of that concept. Queer always has had and always will have a completely appropriate meaning. Yes, it has been used in a derogatory manner, but I think you'll find that the oppression was not caused by people simply absconding with the word queer for their own hateful agenda but rather the totality of their actions. It was the culmination of all of their words and actions in conjunction with the closed-mindedness of the populace that allowed the persecution to gain traction. Donald Trump hasn't used a specific derogatory word when referring to Muslims, but his hateful rhetoric is still the epitome of vitriol. Maybe we should add trump to the filter and shudder whenever it's used regardless of context?

Regardless of historical uses, queer is becoming a commonplace alternative to LGBT+. As such, when we removed gay and lesbian from the filter, there was a movement by members to also remove queer. That was a major factor in our decision to remove it from the filter. In the long run, queer is simply a 5 letter word. It is how it is used that should determine how one should react to it, not simply the fact that is was used. If it turns out that people use it predominantly in a derogatory manner, then we can add it to the filter again. However, I think you'll find that you'll rarely, if ever, see it and when you do it will be as a self-identifier.
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"Yes, it has been used in a derogatory manner, but I think you'll find that the oppression was not caused by people simply absconding with the word queer for their own hateful agenda but rather the totality of their actions."
Similarly, words used in conjunction with their actions are just as harmful. LGBT people who still have the q-slur used against them deserve the validation and protection from having to see it.
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