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Hello all!

This thread is for you to voice your opinion about ACC. You may comment or ask about the site rules, the policies, the board rules and generally about ACC. It doesn't matter if the opinions are positive ones or critical but we do ask you to abide by the following guidelines which outline what is allowed in this thread.

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I'm not really too fond of the markup as much now because you have to close the tags. When it wasn't an issue, I'm sure most people didn't close tags. My profile got messed up because of it. I fixed it, but it was time consuming and took ten minutes. I don't really mind, but I'm not sure why the markup was changed in this way. I didn't see an issue with it before, so are the any reasons to why it has changed now?

I really like this site. It was the only site I was a member of for this long and I'm still active on it today. I just feel respected here, rather than other communities. This is my favorite forum and website to be on. I plan to stay here for years to come!
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The markup changes were implemented to fix numerous security holes. We understand that it affects a lot of people negatively, which is why an announcement was made to warn people about the change over a month ago. Ultimately though, it was something that needed to be done to prevent security exploits and to protect the site.
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Hi there!

We're sorry about the inconvenience and we knew it would be an issue which is why we made an announcement about this 5 weeks ago. We hoped that announcement would give members a chance to change their markup, especially if they were running threads which involve posts with much markup or keyboard art.

Unfortunately it was a necessary change in order to close down a loophole.
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Well, it's officially true. Modmins are like buses. You may wait ages for an answer but then you'll get two come along at once.
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I must have missed that announcement. Thanks!
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Hello, I have a question regarding one of the rules here on ACC. The rule regards the 'duplication' in Animal Crossing: New Leaf. I'm puzzled because while I definitely see why you don't want members discussing how to do it, I don't necessarily see why members of a giveaway can't use this method to receive items, which they then distribute to other users.

I agree with the fact that you warn users against the effects that can happen when you duplicate, but why can't they distribute the items. What I'm wondering is, does the harmful effects pass on if you give someone else an item that you obtained using duplication. If not, then why can't we pass them on? Since we're not discussing how to do it, I'm confused on why we can' t use them in giveaways if the effects don't pass on to the customer. Is one of the reasons simply that you don't completely know all the harmful elements of duplicating?

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I think you may be misunderstanding the restrictions on item duplication on ACC a bit. We do not allow discussion of how to duplicate items. We also do not allow users to set up sessions to duplicate items with others. Exchanging items that have been duplicated is completely fine though. There is no evident difference between an "original" blue bench and a blue bench that was duplicated, nor is the duplicated blue bench harmful to our knowledge. The potential dangers exist with the actual duplication process, and that is what is not allowed to be discussed or set up on ACC.
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I do not mean to be rude in any way, but I disapprove of the rule against posting FCs in the open, or even private threads. See, the thing about friend codes is that if one user adds another user without their permission because they saw their friend code, the user having added the other user would essentially be useless unless they both added each other. It's also really tedious for the limited but equally important people who use more than one 3DS for several purposes (villager trading, cycling town, etc.), because it means that they have to change their friend code in the Friend Code Registry until it's worked out then change it back, initiating another complication due to the fact that the user could be griefs and/or stolen from while they're closing their 3DS for 'just a second' to re-update their friend code, after they've already given them positive feedback for those that still use TP (as ratings can be changed easily).

Another disliked truth is that the rating system is slightly flawed. For example, let's say Sally gave Meg a bad rating even though Sally didn't deserve it, and Sally unregisters Meg because she doesn't want Meg knowing her friend code, then the bad rating Sally gave to Meg for giving Sally a 'revenge rating' is erased forever and the only way Sally can warn others of Meg again is to send her another FCR, which Meg will totally not accept. The only way around this is to be able to unregister people while still keeping the ratings, good or bad, in place, while still being able to remove/edit them at any time. They just won't know your friend code.
Also with the rate system is that everyone is Revenge Rating everyone else, and users can easily appeal honest bad ratings in order to save their reputation, and the fake bad ratings sometimes decline an appeal. I honestly don't know how you could fix such a dilemma, but what I would do in ACC's shoes is something along the lines of send out a very trusted admin/mod/etc. 'undercover' as a normal user (temporarily remove the admin logo, change their username, maybe even throw in some poor grammar, anything to make them seem like one of us) to WiFi with people you suspect are RR'ing. He/she could do one of the perfectly innocent usual RR triggers (e.g. the user asking for extra items and the agent saying she doesn't have any, rating the user badly for something they honestly did, etc.) and report back with the results (this is why it has to be a highly trusted member of staff, as they could report back falsely on people they don't like). I honestly don't know,

Anyway, I guess I've talked enough, so I'll spare you lovely admins your time and end it here.
Happy admin'ing or whatever you guys call it
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AlphaWolf
 
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Hey Lilly!

There are a few points in which I agree in your previous thread, and there are also a few points where I disagree.

This is just my personal experience, but I actually like the organized friend code setting! It keeps everything neat and easy to access. Another point, if you don't have to send a friend code request, then how would the rating system exactly work? Currently, the way to give ratings is adding them to your FCR list and, after you wifi them, rate. But if you could just post your friend code, then there would have to be a more complex, harder way to use the rating system. Because, the only way around that would be to be able to rate anyone, because the staff don't know who you've wified.

This may be far-fetched, but I think that would be an easier way to attract people who actually want to ruin your town. How the friend system currently works, you have to put a slight bit of time in to send them an FCR and you've most likely talked to them for a while, so you get a sense that you can trust them. But, the people who want to destroy your town most likely don't want to put in much of an effort into getting to know you or sending out a code. So a conversation could go on like this, "Hey, can I come to your town?" "Sure."  Then, the mayhem starts.

To do more with the friend code, I don't really see the problem. If someone gives me a revenge rating, I'm going to explain to the staff what I thought the problem was. I would give them an honest rating no matter what! Not unregister them because you don't want them to know your friend code! It doesn't take that long to give a rating, and if you're worried about them coming back before you can rate them, just close your gate. Though I think that being able to rate people after you've deleted them would be a good idea!
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Even if you unregister them, I think they will still know your friend code. It only prevents you from seeing it, not the other way around.
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I don't really mind anything on this site. I think the only thing I'm a bit "meh" about is the process to receive the other person's friend code. I personally think this site is the most friendliest one I have ever been on, though.
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Sophia, Thanks so much, we do try to keep the atmosphere on ACC as friendly as possible.

The reason we do that process is because we want everyone to use the Rating System which protects all of our members. After you wi-fi with someone we need you to fill out a rating on them. These rating can be checked before anyone wi-fi's to tell you if the person is reliable or not.

Lilly That paragraph above is for you also. If people were allowed to post FC anywhere they wanted they wouldn't use the rating system which is am important tool on our site.

No system is perfect of course but we actually don't have that many complaints about RR and we usually can solve them with our current system. If we suddenly started having a problem with them we would of course look into other ways to deal with them. Your ideas are very interesting, thanks for them.
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Another point in favour of ACC's friend code system is that it makes for greater privacy; friend codes are unique, so if your friend code were public, people could use it to connect you with your accounts on other sites, even if you'd rather stay anonymous there.
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To me, the reasons behind the need to go through the tedious process of 'FCRing' players for their FCs are rather subjective, but may I know why is that dream addresses are not allowed to be posted in our siggy and forum? What harm is there for a total stranger to dream of your town?

Please don't reply that ACC treats dream addresses the same as friend codes, for we all know that they are not the same. *content removed*

I have received quite a few PTs requesting for my dream address only because we are not allowed to post them openly. I know we can do a search for the Mayor's and town names but there are many towns out there with the exact same names.

Why ACC always has to make things so tedious and complex?

-Staff Post (7/25/2014 10:30:24 PM)
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Thank you for proving my point lol
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The only reason we don't allow the posting of dream addresses is because it requires one to bypass the friend code filter to post them. The friend code filter is treated similarly to the language filter. There's also the fact that bypassing the filter encourages others to attempt to bypass the filter. It's definitely not an ideal situation, unfortunately. We definitely understand that users want to be able to share dream addresses more freely. I have brought these concerns back up for discussion, as we are actually discussing how we are going to handle the sharing of non-friend codes that are in the friend code system in the future. Currently, the 3DS friend code is the only active friend code in the system. In addition, I doubt there will ever be anymore new friend codes, as it seems Nintendo is moving towards a more account-based system. Moving forward, there may need to be some changes with the system itself, with our rules and policies regarding the system, or both, so please bear with us.
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I think a good fix for this would be a section in our profiles where we put our dream addresses.
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^I like that idea.
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^^ That's a good idea!

ACC is doing pretty good soo far in my opinion. Can't wait for the bell shop to open!
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some responses on the stories and fan fiction q&a thread were disregarded because they weren't posted on here instead so i'll take the liberty of just copying and pasting them here so they can be responded to

"How [are lgbt relationships] any less family-friendly than hetero relationships?
I don't mean to sound rude, but if you're not going to allow same-gender relations you shouldn't be allowing any."
-kittokitty

"Why can't the OP just put a warning in the beginning of their thread to state what controversial topic is being written about? That way if someone reads that warning, and doesn't want to read it, they can simply click away. Thus, no one is "tricked" into reading anything."
-Lynkie

"Fundamentally speaking, there is no real difference between homoromantic and heteroromantic relationships. The difference is an illusion created by heteronormativity, a society-driven concept that promotes heteroromantic and heterosexual relationships to be the "normal" and birth-given identity. I'd like to focus on the suffix romantic, here.

The end product, the big picture, of homoromantic and heteroromantic relationships is love. Please don't disregard this fact for its cheesiness, as it holds truth. The petty little details involved with the prefixes "hom o" and "hetero" are completely irrelevant. What really matters is the end product. I'd like to present an analogy here:

5+5 was the first way people discovered how to create a sum of 10. This concept of "10" was glorified! Some people eventually discovered 2+8 - they believed it suited them better. They didn't see the problem with it. After all, the almighty 10 was achieved! When the people that preferred to identify with 5+5 discovered this, they were outraged. The people representing 5+5 became privileged, while the 2+8 were shunned and told that their 10 was invalid.

Long past these discoveries and the foundation of 5+5 normativity, people of 5+5 began to open up to those of 2+8. After all, they still created 10, right? Not 9 or 17, but 10. They realized that what truly mattered of this equation is that they both achieved a sum of 10.

Granted, there's a lot more ways to reach a sum of 10, but those are okay, too.

If you haven't gotten it by now, 5+5 represents the seemingly normal concept of heteroromance. If it's normal for a male and a female to be in love, why isn't it for a male and another male? Female and female? Trans* individual and male? (I suppose that's what 3+7 would represent, or 15 - 5.) The possibilities are vast, but no more valid than heteroromance.

Sure, it's "controversial" and people have "feelings", but the fact that ACC holds water to these feelings and societal constructs is offensive and it hurts our feelings. If you're going to include one form of romance, you can't exclude others (including those involving non-binary individuals, too). It hurts our feelings that we're excluded yet again. Call my testimony childish, but it's not fair.

Pete loves Booker. They went on a date. Is that not family-friendly? Please, modmins. Take something off of your list of censorship and focus on the big picture for once. A has a problem with B's fanfiction involving Pete & Booker and proceeds to flame B? Well, A is just silly and petty, aren't they? They should be issued a notification and told to stop being so rude and intolerant. Set an example of tolerance and acceptance. If you can't do that, well, maybe ACC isn't much of a community. And that's just sad."
-wakkitty

"to be quite honest, i'm frankly offended by the fact that such an issue is still deemed "controversial."

it is intolerance and separation that creates the strong opposition between the two sides, and by refusing to accept one side of this "issue" as valid, it effectively erases their position on the boards except in "discussion" threads such as this one where the staff are evidently more likely to defend their current position instead of taking into account users' opinions that differ from their own.

if people believe that homosexual relationships aren't "family-friendly," then they are therefore saying that these relationships are not suitable for younger audiences (despite the fact that the only difference is the gender of one person in the relationship). this causes users of any age (especially younger, more impressionable users) to believe that the relationships are less valid than those of there hetero- counterparts which is insulting to say the least to any member of the lgbt community.

being forced to write solely about straight couples simply furthers the societal view of heteronormativity as the only acceptable viewpoint, which also weakens the validity of all non-straight, non-binary characters and their relationships with each other.

in the animal crossing games, characters don't have specific romantic interests because romance is not a part of the game. therefore, users should be allowed to freely give characters their own romantic interests since no canon orientations are revealed (or even mentioned) in the games.

as for non-binary characters on the whole — deeming them an inappropriate inclusion in a story a) contributes to non-binary erasure, offensive to any transgender, genderfluid, agender, etc. user and b) seems to contrast with the games' (especially new leaf's) acceptance of boys wearing feminine clothes and vice versa (example 1, example 2).

as far as i am aware, no homosexual person is ever offended when people talk about being in a straight relationship. this is because societal norms indicate that these behaviors are "normal" (whatever that means). yet, when non-hetero relationships are discussed, some users have problems on the basis of bigotry and personal prejudice against those who are not straight. the only way to end bigotry and increase acceptance is to allow all users the freedom to choose how they want to write their characters, as well as take action against any posts that criticize an author's decision to make two characters interact because "they don't think it's right that" or "god didn't want" or "it's morally wrong if" two characters of the same gender enter a relationship.

it's not true acceptance if you only allow one viewpoint."
-me

"I completely agree with the statements made above me. I can see why you choose to make it 'Offensive Content", but you need to let it go. "Kids" these days are going to grow up with it no matter what! Like it was said before love is love and you can't truly fight that. It was said on some other websites that though ACC is most frequently used and active, we shouldn't use ACC unless we have a wish to be baned because of all the strict rules that make no real sense like this one. Some even go so far as to say ACC actually stands for something else that may not be so pleasant to read. Do I believe that? Well I'm starting to. This was supposed to be website that was a community, not a strict power held society that monitors what can and can not be put out there. Hetero and Homoromatic relationships are now part of everyday life and news in everyone's IRL community. Why shouldn't it be online.

Kids already know about this information, and if they don't like a fanfic about one of these relationships and flame, they should be the ones getting points for that is cyber-bullying. We can avoid this problem if the fanfic writer just puts a warning about it in the first few sentences. Then the reader would know what's going to happen before they read, it's not "trickery". Even if they do read it and they don't like it, it was at there own choice to read it. If they flame, they should be the ones getting in trouble.

I believe you should change the rule. (Along with many other rules that make little to no sense.)"
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(continued from above due to character limit)

"As mentioned before, by not allowing same gender relations in creative writing, you're passively choosing a side and showing a tendency. ACC can't play the role of the conservative parent anymore and determine what is suitable for children who aren't their own. At the end of the day, ACC is just a website, not a moderator and determinant of family friendly content.

Family friendly isn't even a word that can be used to defend the lack of same gender relations, when the definition of family is changing so much. Families are becoming more open, diverse, tolerant, and accepting. It's not right to clearly take a side on what is right and what is wrong, when the line is so thin.

Think of it this way. If a guy runs into McDonalds and throws an ice cream at the cashier's face and yells "I LOVE BURGER KING. MCDONALDS STINKS AND THEIR BURGERS ARE SO DISGUSTING", what do you think happens? Do you think the guy running into McDonalds gets rewarded for sharing his singular opinion and McDonalds gets shut down? Absolutely not. There are tons of people who love McDonalds, and shouldn't have their favorite fast food place taken away, just because one guy doesn't like it.

Actually, the McDonalds cashiers and manager would probably call the cops and the disruptive man would be arrested or at least escorted out of the building. His disruption of a peaceful environment (where nothing strange is going on and no one is being hurt) deserves to be punished. The same goes for if somebody flames a thread where a fanfic has some same gender material. Posting any kind of slur or disapproval for the content is absolutely unnecessary and deserves a ticket.

Comments like "I hate Pango why is she in this story" or "Why did you have Pete be stupid You're stupid!" would not be tolerated on a story thread and would be shut down immediately and blobbed out with red. The same should go if somebody flames a story with SG relations. It's preposterous to imply that the writer--who is solely expressing themselves creatively within the rules (as in no intercourse related content or violence)  should be punished in any way.

If the modmins want to allow a site (which BTW already allows hetero romances finally) to exclude SG relations from their list of things allowed, that's their decision to take over the role of parent and give ACC a conservative hint. You don't technically know what the parent wants their child to know, so prohibiting it would invalidate the argument that all parents don't want their child knowing about SG relations.

As I said before, the internet is not a safe place and never will be. We can try to create that as much as possible, but it will never be a utopia of "family friendly" (what a narrow, complicated term) content. Besides, don't we all know that utopias never work?"
-Liv909

"On top of what everybody else has said, I have some points to add to the cause.
If same-gender relationships aren't family friendly, neither are hetero relationships!
Why? Because both are equal!

Also, who cares about upsetting someone who is homophobic, when they often strive to upset, offend, scare, and sometimes even physically hurt homosexuals!

Also, on a side note, why was my thread in site support (it was that or site suggestions) on this subject locked without giving reason? If I accidentally locked it, my bad."
-kittokitty

i would very much appreciate a response to these users' opinions
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I just wish ACC could view my use tickets and send me responses faster. Other than that, ACC is doing good!
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I don't know if I necessarily agree with this.

While I'm not necessarily, "opposed" to homosexuals, I don't really know if stories like this should be posted on the writing thread. While this is only an opinion, most books with homosexual relationships contain other material that is somewhat suggestive.

I also don't really see the problem with sticking to a Heterosexual relationship. In the US, the concept isn't really accepted so most people probably aren't accepted of it. Therefore, I think that most parents don't want their kids to be exposed to it on a site that's mainly for Animal Crossing.

EDIT: After later thinking about my post, there were a few things that I didn't really think of.

I do think that we should allow them if they don't go to in-depth into the relationship, which is the same rules for a 'strait' relationship. I don't see the problem if the stories aren't inappropriate! Though, I don't see why these would need to be in stories excessively.
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Same gender relations would abide by the same rules hetero relations abide by: no s exual or violent content. Everything stays K-T if we're talking FF.net standards.
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