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jader201
 
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Please post your response to this announcement here.
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I've been donating to ACC for the last four years primarily because I've always cared about keeping ACC online. I will continue to donate to add to your "tip jar."

I'm very interested in the ACC Bucks concept. Is it something that will relate to the Bell Shop at all?
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Yes, it will in some ways related to the Bell Shop. The two currencies will be separate -- one earned through finding/clicking the bell ads, and one through supporting ACC through money. But both currencies will be used to purchased items/perks. Some will only allow one or the other to purchase, and many will allow purchases using either currency.
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is this Reverse psychology!?
just kidding
if i could donate i would, because acc was a big part of my life and i love the site
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I found it interesting that Donations are not truly used to fund the site. Jader, thank you for ACC and everything, but I believe you should have stated this a long time ago. I think the donations made people, in a way, feel guilty for using the site without paying anything. I know it did for me. Especially for the younger users who don't understand economics, they may have not realized that the ADs pay for the site.

Anyway, keep doing what you're doing.
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I don't think your "paycheck" should be any part of the donations, I can understand the advertisements, but I think it's a little sleazy to be taking the donations given to keep the site "running", by putting it in your own pockets. Regardless of the amount.

"do·na·tion  
Noun
Something that is given to a charity, esp. a sum of money."
Charity in this being a service provided for free to users.

Once you start putting the money in your pocket, it starts being a for-profit. If I knew this when I donated before, I would have never have donated. I find it absurd that you would not disclose that this would also be going into your pocket yet still continue to do so.
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I was considering donating the other day, just as a sort of "tip" for being there all these years, with all the memories.

.. Then I remembered I struggle enough to persuade Mum to get me Steam games. Perhaps next year. But I'm glad that ACC isn't going down any time soon. I often find myself clicking on some of the advertisements (the ones that aren't obviously viruses, anyway) just so ACC gets more revenue, lol.

Also this is the only site I have my AdBlock OFF on.

EDIT: Posts above: Personally, I don't really care what the donations are used for, as long as they help the site or the person/people who made the site.
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Exactly how MasterHiku put it. I probably wouldn't have had a problem if it something like that was said when you donate. This is like donating to the Red Cross, and them using the money to pay their CEOs large paychecks. Obviously not to the same extent, but still shouldn't be done.
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I think it was really nice of Jader to be this honest. I think that the reason that Jader didn't state this before was that he didn't consider the fact that people might think the site needs their money. After reading that article, though, he might have realized that some people think that this site can't run without donations.

I do agree that the donations shouldn't be used as a profit, though, since the donations come from real people donating money and getting nothing in return but a few small virtual rewards.
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Personally, I don't like the idea of buying perks. I appreciate the fact the we currently can buy them, but it is through the means of donating which a lot of people do just to get the perks. But it just lets of a nicer feel. I realize that ACC in a way is a little like a business, but isn't Wikipedia a non-profit company? I always thought ACC was the same. Even if they are asking for money they don't need, would it not be for them?

Wouldn't it be better to just have the extra money in a account, just in case of anything happening? Just as a back up, I realize you probably already have a backup, however it doesn't hurt to have more.

I personally wouldn't like to be able to "top up" "ACC Bucks", I would prefer to donate to get them. I really hate it when games release a feature such as this, I know it isn't my decision but it is my response. Won't it make people feel a little pressured into buying them? But in knowing that they aren't for the support of ACC, they are a profit for ACC would make me reluctant to buy some perks.

Personally, I didn't donate to get the perks, but if the perks weren't there, I probably wouldn't of donated. In a way that is donating to get the perks, but that wasn't what I was doing. Its hard to explain.

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I think what you (1595) are saying is
Donate to be a good person. The Perks are just something nice ACC gives you
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I like the honesty of the post. I'm sure running ACC is very time consuming, especially since it's been around over 10 years. I made my first donation a couple of months back, and I do like thinking of it as placing it in a "tip jar". Now... if paying was mandatory to be a part of the community, then I would have objections.
It's just like AVGN's site Cinnemassacre.com.  By no means do you have to donate, but there is an option to PayPal Donate or donate games, which I have.
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I donated to be nice and haven't really used the perks. I appreciate the honesty but I torn about the whle gaining profit thing. I may not donate again here and donate to something else that does require money to stay operating.
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One other thing I've realized. The fact that you feel you have the right to even take this money is completely absurd as you have been sitting in the backseat and haven't, publicly, released a new, beneficial feature (key-word here being beneficial, let's be honest the Bell ads are completely useless at the moment and the only way they will actually have any relevance isn't because of anything you have done) in ages, you've made only announcements that take probably less than 30 minutes to type. That's not commitment. Instead, you passed on the torch to various people working for you for free. If anybody deserves any part of the donations, which shouldn't even be an income source, it's the people who are actually making the updates. Right now, from what you have publicly have released, you are paying yourself for sitting there. That's completely absurd. I am mad about this, and I'm sure you realize this. It boggles my mind how anybody can justify the fact that you are lying to people to gain money. On the donation page, you state

"which means we require incoming revenue to help support our monthly costs."
That means people donating are expecting the money to be going to help pay those monthly costs, not line your pockets. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you could get in legal trouble. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if your donation button provided via PayPal is removed as you started turning donations into a profit for yourself.
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Jader,

First I wanted to say good for you for the announcement and your honesty about the donations. That means a lot in my book.

I've been donating since I became an active member of the ACC community. I've been a member of other large gaming communities and have had experience with the donation process and how it works for site owners. So I have always donated and will continute to donate to your 'tip jar'. You derserve it for all the hard work you and your staff do keeping this wonderful site up and running for us.

I personally think the people who have a problem with it don't realize the work and time it takes to create and maintain such a large site. In the early days of AC:WW a friend and I had a tiny little site and I paid for it out of pocket for a year. We didn't make near enough from our Ads. In the end we closed as it was to much for me to keep paying for.

So, Thank you and keep up the good work!!


MasterHiku. . .OMG! give it a rest. You have only donated $10. That's only about .10 cents in the scheme of things. Try working full time running a site this size and taking care of a family, paying bills and starting up a new business all at the same time. He may not be visible playing or posting on the forum but he is there.


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"If I knew this when I donated before, I would have never have donated."
MasterHiku, you donated 10 dollars 5 years ago. You're reacting as if you donated 500 dollars and all you got was a slap in the face. Seriously, calm down and quit whining.
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Jader, your honesty in the announcement made me respect you more. It shows me that you put honesty and integrity headfirst. I appreciate all you do for the site. Honestly, I wish I could donate, but I know my parents wouldn't allow me to. I love ACC as much as anyone else and while I wish I can show my support by donating, my parents wouldn't allow it.
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"Once you start putting the money in your pocket, it starts being a for-profit. If I knew this when I donated before, I would have never have donated. I find it absurd that you would not disclose that this would also be going into your pocket yet still continue to do so.
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I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to disclose yet about ACC Bucks, but the switch from the term donation to actual payment is a point that is being stressed.
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I think that we all appreciate your honesty, Jader. If it were me, I probably wouldn't do something that would take away the amount of money my website would earn. You did that, though, and it was very kind of you.
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"MasterHiku, you donated 10 dollars 5 years ago. You're reacting as if you donated 500 dollars and all you got was a slap in the face. Seriously, calm down and quit whining."
Hey, I thought everyone was allowed to give their opinion? Plus, do you know MH's situation? 10 dollars could be a lot.
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"MasterHiku, you donated 10 dollars 5 years ago. You're reacting as if you donated 500 dollars and all you got was a slap in the face. Seriously, calm down and quit whining."
I'm impartial here, but it doesn't matter when or how much he donated. He still donated. $10 is about a hours wages. It is something, so it doesn't matter how much.

It should say on the donations page, it is a little deceitful, even if you spend $0.01 of it.

I doubt he took much of it, but I don't know. I can only assume.

Its a little like spending tax payers money on a personal expense.
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Everyone loves the honesty of this? Don't make me laugh. Why Jader didn't tell everyone this a long time ago is beyond me.
I would say more but MasterHiku has pretty much summed up everything I want to say.

Jader shouldn't have waited this long to tell everyone this. This just makes me feel like I can't trust the site anymore because all this time people were donating money because "we require incoming revenue to help support our monthly costs", but now it's suddenly "Oh we haven't been needing money for a while. We've actually been fine with whatever we get from the advertisements so let's just use whatever we get now for personal use.
Now it feels like ACC is just turning into another website like Neopets or Club Penguin.. it started out great and like a real community but now it's just.... sinking.
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"Everyone loves the honesty of this? Don't make me laugh. Why Jader didn't tell everyone this YEARS ago is beyond me.
I would say more but MasterHiku has pretty much summed up everything I want to say.

Jader shouldn't have waited this long to tell everyone this. This just makes me feel like I can't trust the site anymore because all this time people were donating money because "we require incoming revenue to help support our monthly costs", but now it's suddenly "Oh we haven't been needing money for a while. We've actually been fine with whatever we get from the advertisements so let's just use whatever we get now for personal use.
Now it feels like ACC is just turning into another website like Neopets or Club Penguin.. it started out great and like a real community but now it's just.... sinking."
How do you know Jader had actually thought of the fact that people thought Animal Crossing Community needed their money, though? He might have not considered this fact until he read that article about Wikipedia. He might have thought that people knew that Animal Crossing Community didn't need the money until he read that article; this might have made him reconsider this thought.

Yes, it would have been great if he had told us years ago, but he might have not actually thought about doing. Maybe he did. Chances are, though, he just considered it.
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I completely agree with you MasterHiku. It also doesn't matter how much he donated, it's about where the money's going that everyone has donated. Just because I don't donate to wikipedia doesn't mean I can get angry if they turn into a for-profit organization. He completely has a point, so stop saying he only donated $. It doesn't matter. Donating more doesn't mean you deserve a larger voice.

Jader's honesty is completely appreciated, but it should have been admitted a LONG time ago. This should be obvious, but that's just me.

I highly doubt most people commenting have any idea how a website works. This isn't an attack, I'm just saying that mostly children use this site and donate with their parents' money, so the points MasterHiku and I are making will be missed by many.

Jader never outright said that the donations go to paying for the site alone. So when he says that he pays himself, it makes it sound a little shady. "The absence of the truth is a lie."

In my opinion, if Jader was going to use money from this site to fund personal things he should have made it perfectly clear that this site is for-profit. As far as I know, no where does it say anything about where the money goes. There is no one monitoring the funds and reporting to the users. Children (the primary used base), in my mind, probably assumed that the money strictly went to the site. Nothing else. I'm fairly sure their parents would be annoyed if they knew the money was also going to someone's personal fund.

I, and I'm pretty sure many, don't know what Jader actually does on a day-to-day basis, so it's unreasonable to say he does or doesn't do a lot of work. Not many really know. I mean, he has a full blown staff.

Going on the staff part. I'm assume there are members of the staff who put in more work into this site than Jader. Shouldn't they get paid too? If this site is going to accept donations to pay its employees, then it should pay all of its employees. Not just the owner. Does this make sense?

These are my thoughts. Basically, if donations are being used for pay, everyone should be paid.
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I don't think this has ever been a secret issue -- Jader has been open about it before -- but I think that, if ACC didn't need donations, then the "Make a Donation" page has been misleading, ditto with the red box that was on the front page for a long time.

Though I'm glad Jader is being honest that he is making money off the site, I would hope that the money would go to cover costs when ad revenue is not enough or maybe purchase a little holiday gift for the staff (like a giftcard or something). With the devs doing a lot of the heavy lifting recently (not to say you haven't, but the official story is the devs do a lot of the work) I don't think it's right to profit off the services of some volunteer teenagers.

However, I think it is a bit naïve to expect this website to generate $6k or $7k/month (which is what I'm guessing Jader makes as a Web Dev), and unless you have other equally successful websites, really cannot see the ~4k active members generating the revenue to make this a reality (maybe the first month, but not month after month).

It's a hopeful plan, but I think it's misguided.


"How do you know Jader had actually thought of the fact that people thought Animal Crossing Community needed their money, though?"
I think the word "donation" is misleading, ditto with the red banner that had been up for ages:

" Support ACC

ACC has now grown to where it requires commercial hosting -- which means, we require incoming revenue to help support our monthly costs. One way we do this is through advertisements. The second way we do this is through member support, by means of donations. If you enjoy ACC and feel that we are providing a safe and fun service to you, you can help support our costs by donating. For those that do donate, we will be offering a few perks, to express appreciation for your support.

For more details and instructions on donating, click the following button:"
[source] Click through the archive, this was up since *at least* March 2006. Since there was no clarification, it makes sense the idea continued until today.

And the donation page that you can get to with the yellow button:

"ACC requires commercial hosting to handle the traffic we receive, which means we require incoming revenue to help support our monthly costs. One way we do this is through the advertisements you see on the forums area of the site. The second way we do this is through member support, by means of donations. If you enjoy ACC and feel that we are providing a safe and fun service to you, you can help support our costs and express your appreciation by donating."
Both of these imply (very strongly) that this donation revenue was *necessary*. Jader no doubt put the final OK on both of these.

I am not surprised. Jader has said in the past on some public threads that he does take some of the money. Unfortunately, this has been the reason I have not donated. But I am surprised that so many people appreciate his honesty, because truthfully I think this should have been made public a long time ago.
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