I can't play everyday either. I try. But I have a job...

If you can't play every day, you can still get others to help you with things, even if it isn't hack-related.

I'd happily hand out 50,000 Bells to a friend in need. Though admittedly, I can't remember what 50,000 Bells is worth any more. The hacks have been that bad.

"I'd happily hand out 50,000 Bells to a friend in need. Though admittedly, I can't remember what 50,000 Bells is worth any more. The hacks have been that bad."

Three Sharks, one Ocean Sunfish, and a Sea Butterfly in WW. a.k.a. kind of expensive.

The more I think about it, the more I'm happy about the change in economy and how it'll be. :3

Luckily I DID see Joan in the Nintendo Direct AC portion today! Yay turnips!

I agree with money. 300,000 bells was like nothing to me in WW. It means a bit more to me in the GC version because I can't use Action Replay with my Wii, my gamecube broke... not that I've ever planned to use AR on that game.

It will be nice to have actual money and tools because before if you had the golden tools it didnt matter but if they were actually hard to get this time it would be a great reward.

Money on ACCF was just too much,I could just give away 100,000 bells just like that but now it should be fixed and well earned.

The only golden tool I've actually got legitimately in ACWW was the Golden Shovel I feel so ashamed.

I think not being able to hack or have giveaways would be a better experience. I am looking forward to it, at least for a while. When I have the opportunity, I just can't resist all the free stuff, even though I think the game would be more fun without it.

In WW I never wified. I got every golden tool, paid off my home loans, and filled my museum (besides a few paintings) by myself. I wasn't involved in the overall economy, which was giveaway-based for most of the time I played the game. I stayed interested in the game for about four years. By the end, I found I had more bells than I knew what to do with. In my opinion, bells lose value over time even if you're isolated. (Assuming you keep the same town and don't restart.)

Whether the economy is largely legitimate or largely giveaway based,  I doubt I'll participate much. I won't use giveaways, and in the rare cases I wifi I'll try to give more away then anything I can receive. (Not to say I won't accept the occasion gift of rare furniture, hybrids, or art. Bells are out of the question, however.) But I'll mostly be wifing with my cousin and my best friend. This is simply to help maintain my own interest. I think most of the fun I get from this game is accomplishing the goals I set for myself, and I don't want to accomplish them quickly.

When hacking and giveaways become the norm (whether it be sooner or later), I'll attempt to wifi with legitimate players. I think a few groups are forming, and I'm interested in casual membership.

This isn't to say I think that hacking or using giveaways are bad. I think it's possible to exist independently of them. The only bummer is the inflation of bells caused by the hacking.

Just changing the title to New Leaf. :[/b])

I don't think duping is a bad thing. It makes me able to share anything and everything i have.

The whole cheating thing has been on my mind for awhile now, I really hope Nintendo does everything in their power to stop cheaters from ruining the AC:NL community. It was horrible in Wild World.

"It's my understanding that it wont be possible to hack items into the game anymore, as external hacking devices have been put away by Nintendo on the 3DS. Thus, there will no longer be any "25 golden roses, please," with a free delivery."

Hmmmmm! I'm not sure why many people seem to be so down on Giveaways and are talking of ''real trading'' with this game. Reading some of the posts, it seems like people are judging the entire history of Giveaways on what has happened in the last 3 years. Although the comments are true about the last 3 years, it's unfair to judge on just that period and it's worth remembering the true point of Giveaways which hopefully the new game will help with.

I joined the Giveaway I work in because it was about legitimately acquired items. I seem to be able to grow hybrids with ease and my CF town at that time was being over-run with hybrids I didn't need. I initially joined a shop where the hybrids were sold but not enough people wanted the flowers so I joined the Giveaway to give away all the extra flowers to people who wanted them. Since this Giveaway was made up of all the people who had worked at JUG (minus the owner of JUG), I assume that's the way JUG was run too. Apart from the floral thread where people like me could give away our extra hybrids, the actual Giveaway item thread only gave away items that you could order from Nooks. As a supplier, you could only join the Giveaway if you had a large catalogue and you were able to claim part of an order for a customer because you may have had some of the items in your catalogue but not all of them.

What Giveaways are now, isn't what they used to be. Eventually, the Giveaway I worked at couldn't compete with the others that gave away everything so had to change to survive but it would be great to go back to Nook orderable items only. I believe that is the true spirit of Giveaways - to help others out. After all, it only takes a few minutes of fishing or fruit gathering to raise the bells to order items for someone else who wants them.

I do agree that it has become crazy on the Giveaway boards with every item being orderable but that doesn't mean it will stay that way and it would be great to see the Giveaways go back to how they used to be run. Just don't judge the current state as being the only one that has ever existed. I would also love to see the Trading Boards more active and as Modmins, we have a plan in place that will allow the Trading Boards to flourish for all the games but that doesn't mean that Giveaways and Shops won't flourish too.

^ I wouldn't mind that form of a giveaway, because the items are acquired through legitimate means, and they help people who are new to the game. It's just when I look at "giveaways" now, I look at the hacked mess they currently are.

Though personally I prefer shops to a give-away, when all items are actually legitimate, the sense of "you actually earned this item" when you buy from a shop is one of the greatest of all.

Though looking at how prominent the hacking scene currently is... I doubt we'll have a proper economy after 6 months.

someone will find a way to hack it... someone will find a way...

Well, I suppose that's why the trading boards and the giveaway boards are separated. I'm sure ACNL will have it's own trading board. Maybe even it's own Service board? That I'm not too sure about, and giveaway services use that board too. I don't know if there would be a way to differentiate a giveaway service from a legitimate single player service unless you advertise it as such. But the game will be brand new and everyone has to start somewhere. I myself have been playing the various AC games for 10 years and have only discovered the giveaway scene this past summer. I may not provide a service exactly, but I do offer and share my legitimately obtained fruit and Wendell patterns with anyone that asks. The spirit is still there.

^ Yeah, but I just checked the trading boards, and OF COURSE it's just "Giving away free items!" "Buy any 75 items for 10,000 bells no matter what you get!" "can i get a free gold axe lol"

Yeah, I can say the economy in thoroughly ruined in all WiFi ACs at the moment.

"Though personally I prefer shops to a give-away, when all items are actually legitimate, the sense of "you actually earned this item" when you buy from a shop is one of the greatest of all."

JoeBro387 - Having a shop doesn't guarantee that items are acquired legitimately either. It just means that they charge for the items but I do agree that at least the purchaser feels that they didn't just get the items for free and shopping is all part of the game anyway - as is free items.

The only downside of Giveaways is the excess. There is no waiting at the moment and to be honest, I've been frustrated more than once by the culture it creates. I do a lot of Landscaping in-game and after spending hours over 3-4 appointments creating a path for someone, it's disheartening to see the same people re-order the same service a few weeks later because they got bored with their town. The availability of all and any items leads to a throw away attitude in general and that's where I agree with all of you. As said, the only part I don't agree with is applying this picture to Giveaways in general as if it's always been that way when it most definitely hasn't. A Giveaways board appeared on ACC in 2004 - before WW and CF and before AR and HB.

"Though looking at how prominent the hacking scene currently is... I doubt we'll have a proper economy after 6 months."

I can see what you are saying but I don't think this was a huge issue before CF even though there was AR for WW. As someone else said earlier in the thread, the grass wear in the game led to many, many people acquiring HB and this in turn led to more suppliers. I'm not blaming everything on the animal tracks feature but I honestly believe it played a huge part in people getting HB, people abandoning the game and also people constantly restarting their towns. Many people knew about AR with WW but few got it.

I hope that this game will return us all to the days before CF but without the seeding aspect. Certainly, I hope that the people who would vandalise a town would be happy with the Dream aspect of the game.

I can understand your point about the economy and it can be hard to envisage with the current set up of the boards. However, this doesn't mean that the boards won't change and actually this has been a Modmin discussion for over 18 months. Unfortunately it was interrupted by Project Reboot but we are back to actively discussing this and hope that our future plans will encourage a good economy that meets the needs and demands of all types of players.

You have very good points iolite. I agree with you about the giveaways, it's not about giving items for free, it's about the fact that the item given for free is hacked/non legity.

Well, it's all kind of a moot point for this game, though...  because there won't BE any Action Replay.  Fact:  95% of flashcarts have been bricked for 3DS use.  Permanently..  And Action Replay is not going to waste their time and money trying to crack the 3DS security measures - they'll wait for someone else (homebrew, flashcart manufacturers) to do it first and THEN they'll borrow the technology to use it for themselves.

And so far, in the first year and a half since the 3DS released, it's not like there's been any incremental progess on the part of the hackers.  They've actually LOST ground in the fight to crack the 3DS.  Now they can't even use flashcarts to try to tamper with things.  They are truly getting nowhere.  

The PSVita, for all its uber-expensive proprietary "secure" memory cards, was cracked within MONTHS of release.  20 months and counting for 3DS - no crack.  Regular old SD card slot.  That is no easy feat.   Nintendo means business on this issue, they truly do.

An Action Replay device is not even on the HORIZON - and maybe never will be.  The stakes are higher than ever for Nintendo here, they simply can't afford even ONE lost sale because people are downloading the ROM and playing it on a flashcart.  They've got nervous shareholders, and posted their first-ever annual loss last year.  They need to wring every possible dollar out of their install base.  That's why they've upped their game with regards to security.  

We'd best get used to the idea that there will be NO dupes, no hacks, no cheats in this game.  Not now, not soon.  Maybe never.  

It's going to be a new experience, a new game - but it's also going to be pretty old-school in this regard.  

I think it's going to make it more interesting, personally.  I think people will stay interested longer.  If they were used to waving a magic wand and having everything they wanted, instant-gratification - how long can they really enjoy the game without getting bored, if there's nothing to strive for, no goals that can't be met immediately?  

This is a good thing.  

I don't know about you guys but it won't be that big a deal for me considering I never use givaways.

And tbh, I hate when people go around thinking their special or holier-than-thou just be because they don't hack. Same with givaways.

I mean, no one's forcing you to shop at givaways or hack, so there's no reason to ruin everybody else's fun.

Sara (If it's okay that I call you that...) that's great news to hear! I agree completely with what you said about getting bored. This is exactly the case with my CF game.

I started over a few months ago and told myself that I wasn't going to Wi-Fi....that lasted for about 2 house expansions. With everything readily available through giveaways...I caved.

Needless to say, I haven't played my CF since because there truly isn't anything left to hold my attention.

"I mean, no one's forcing you to shop at givaways or hack, so there's no reason to ruin everybody else's fun."

But giveaways can ruin your fun if you don't order from them.

I think now, almost every single giveaway hacks.  There might have been some before that were legit, but that is such a small percentage.  I am fairly sure JUG had at least some of their suppliers hacking, and they knew about it and were fine with it.

This dosent nessesarily mean no giveaways. Theres amazing gardeners, Bell-earning experts, PLUS someone might invent a new hack. But, it would prorrably require lots of programming, so luckily no action replay. Although I dont see any wrong in giving vilagers un-useable cars, but I would enjoy having actual cars meant to be there

If we could just hack it like that for stuff then how long would it take to do everything you want? Its not about the goal of the item,its the journey.

And un-hacked giveaways would be more satisfactory than a hacked one because your actually giving your items,not spawned ones.