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richardxthripp
 
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Richard
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11/28/2010 5:55am
I wrote this after my photography topic was removed (for being spam because it is self-promoting); this is what's wrong with ACC and why everyone dislikes it now. Read it with an open mind because a closed mind is blind.
"The community isn't about Animal Crossing; it's about the connections between people and friendly environment that encourages people to discuss not only Animal Crossing, but all sorts of unrelated topics because they are in the company of friends. This includes the "self promotion" that you dread. Life is one big self promotion. When you allow people the benefits of promoting themselves, they add value to the community and feel valued, just as my photography topic did (half the posts were me giving advice to my fellow ACC-visiting photographers). When you tell them their contributions are "violations," and that continued "spamming" may result in "disciplinary action," you alienate the individual and mar the community spirit. You are suffering the very plight I've described in my article, The Profit Police and How They Kill Everyone. The best communities are self-moderating, yet you moderators, perhaps by unwitting consensus, have set up a little kingdom where you can feel empowered over others.

This is a website about a video game aimed at mid-thirties adults, and yet you have "violation points"? What kind of morons do you take us for?"
So what you (the administrators and moderators) need to do is to get rid of the silly "notifications" section, "violation" points, posting limits on new users, and the "staff post" moderating thing. The reason to do this is so you'll treat your community (the users) as equals instead of like a dog needing to be "disciplined," cuz that's just childish, depressing, and spiritually unfulfilling.

This sort of attitude develops a lot as governments, corporations, and even Animal Crossing-related communities grow. But that doesn't make it good; turn back now before it's too late!

Here's two other topics where you can see the deterioration of the ACC spirit that the elitist type of attitude is causing:

Acc Sometimes makes me feel deppressed... :(
STUPID RULE!

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Richard
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I don't know what to say... o___O
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videogamer3586
 
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This has turned me to being most involved with Private Threads rather than posting on the Public Boards as often as I used to. With the influx and loss of members, ACC has really changed. It's to be expected, of course, but the sense of community hasn't really returned as compared to a few year's ago.

Some of the rules aren't the best, but it's almost as if ACC has been forced to make them so strict. As a whole, however, the rules aren't really too strict. They're the same that you'd find on other forums for the most part. Some are just particular to ACC.

Take the Off Topic Board, for example. You've been around a while and know how it used to be and how a lot of good discussion used to take place there. But now, the threads are pretty much all the same, and it's gotten to the point of banning many types of threads. Yours being removed strikes me as odd, however, as most of the posts were more about photography rather than your own photos. Perhaps you can make an appeal.

But I do wish the feeling of community would come back. Maybe as members mature and grow up, and as some leave, the feeling will return. In the meantime, we'll just have to do our best to foster that spirit and wait.
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richardxthripp
 
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Richard
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dangiown: You've got the idea then!

videogamer3586: Nah, we don't have to wait, and the loss of community isn't because of the changing members. It's because of the change in attitude among the moderators, which is mirrored in the text of the rules, and in the structure of the "violations" system. Being on ACC is like living in a country with really high taxes, no fair trials, and preference for the police. This comes about as the website is in more demand; the staff's attitude changes from "we're happy to have you" to "we don't need you." We need to change that back.
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videogamer3586
 
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Derek
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I can see your point, but I don't think it's completely a police state. The thing about the violations system is that it actually isn't changed, except for the fact that people can see their points rather than be in the dark about them. The reporting is somewhat different from the "Report A Problem" ones, but it doesn't seem like a huge change. The way that the rules are enforced is different as well, I agree.

It still all goes back to the members on the site though. I can't really comment on the attitude of the staff, as I don't have much of anything to compare it to.
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richardxthripp
 
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But the metaphor is true! Because it's nice to have a community based on equity and trust (like we had in 2002-2005) rather than this. Showing a list of "violations" and having a "points system" goes against it. I know jader201 added it thinking it would add fairness and equity to the moderators' decisions, but in that paradoxical way it does the opposite.
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Johntown327
 
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I couldn't agree with you more, Richard.
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richardxthripp
 
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Thanks, Chris. Good seeing you're still around here.
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Johntown327
 
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Please.  I'll be here until my skin wrinkles.

But I do agree that a lot of ACC's downfall is a result of the "new" (I put it in quotation marks because they're not really new, but they still feel that way) methods of modding the forums.  They may have been in place before they were made public, but, if that's the case, they're preferable in privacy.
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Rodents210
 
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All I'll say (right now) is that the ambiguity created by "Staff Post" sort of merges the staff into a single dictating entity. It doesn't fix "inconsistency;" it just makes our ACC dictators and *content removed* seem more like a mentally-unstable authoritative figure with the banhammer in one hand, a candy bar in the other, and a crown on its head.

-Staff Post (5/2/2008 12:31:42 PM)
This post violated the following rule:
1.2 Offensive Content
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copperdude
 
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I also agree greatly with your points.  I wish to see a reply by some admins regarding this.
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richardxthripp
 
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Agreed with Johntown327, Rodents210, and copperdude. We (the ACC users) aren't anonymous; why should the staff be? Going back to the government analogy, we have juries, public record, and due process in the U.S., which keeps public servants just under the watchful eye of the people. An Animal Crossing website is not a government; the staff can do whatever they want. But that doesn't mean they should, because staying anonymous themselves detracts from the community spirit.
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MarioKarter362
 
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2/28 5:04pm
*checks violations*
Okay I have several for trolling, spamming, various shenanigans, but only one is even worth a point, which I got even before the UT system. It seems to me that staff really isn't all that strict when it comes giving the actual points.

And on flood control. Does anyone rally need to make more than thread per mnute. And five seconds to wait to post again? As if you can't stand to wait any during any time of your life.

Ya know what I think? I think I hate the over pessimistic crowd and how they're out to annoy everyone on the internet. You're the one who decided to join this site. Just stop getting all whiny over everything.
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copperdude
 
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MarioKarter362, we aren't being whiny, we are providing feedback.  Feedback is essential for improvement.  Jader himself has said that while 100% agreement in all staff decisions is what they strive for, negative feedback is what helps cause favorable change.  We were the ones who decided to join the site, and we are the ones who provide the feedback the staff need to understand user viewpoints.  
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mariogamer99
 
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11/28/2008 11:04pm
I left because of all of the changes that were going on.
I don't even remember what exactly it was.. it was a pretty long time ago.
Something about donations giving extra benefits... which made them seem like less donations than a paid-for service. I much preferred the free ACC than the reduced functionality except for a fee.

I wish I could keep up with more of my old ACC friends (anyone remember the Weekly Crosser? ), but I only talk to two now. PK and Richard.
The Off Topic section did use to be very fun. Richard's photography is excellent, and he doesn't even do it for profit. In fact, the way we met, I believe, was when we worked on a forum signature making thread. That was only stopped when we (or at least one of us) tired of it. Photography can't be too different.

Sorry if mine is out of date. I haven't posted in forever, or even really checked out the site in forever.
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videogamer3586
 
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MarioKarter362, Richard didn't suggest getting rid of flood control (I'd venture a guess that he heaved a sigh of relief when it was instituted). He suggested getting rid of the Newbie Restrictions.

mariogamer99, I don't think calling ACC reduced functionally unless you donate is a fair assessment. Everything that you get for donating is only for that purpose; nothing was taken from ACC and reserved for perks.
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richardxthripp
 
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MarioKarter362: The flood control doesn't matter, but not letting new members post for a day isn't nice. Having a points system is like saying "you're below us and we'll tell you what's wrong with you." It's a negative-based system, which is bad karma. Yes, I'm whining, but that's because ACC should be special and different from other communities. The first step to returning to that is going back to the old moderation system (where moderators left comments with their names and there was no points system or violations list).

mariogamer99: I don't mind the perks for donors. It's all in aesthetics. That's fine to me because it's a thank-you for keeping ACC online, but the robot staff posts aren't good because it seems like we're being reprimanded by robots. Same thing with the rules list. We'd be better off having no rules list and just saying "use common sense," and then the moderators could watch for bad stuff without having a rules list to follow.

9:07 P.M.: I'll come back tomorrow to read, and after that I'm leaving for good. From all the posts here, I can see the loss of community is a real issue to us.
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walkingonthesun
 
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I understand your pain Richard, I was looking at your thread and was like "Why is this even spamming? All he's pretty much doing is talking about photos."
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aNDya
 
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I don't hate the mods or ACC's rules, but I don't like the report system.

There is still a community. There always was. A community is never in its area (or its website). It's in its people. The old community is a new one. I can't say if that's good or bad.

Still, something seems odd and uncomfortable about the User Ticket system and staff anonymity. Like a corporation. It seems so unfeeling, so lifeless. All the humanity is sucked out of it, it seems.

I intend to stay here, though.
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Flying_Girl
 
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"This has turned me to being most involved with Private Threads rather than posting on the Public Boards as often as I used to. With the influx and loss of members, ACC has really changed. It's to be expected, of course, but the sense of community hasn't really returned as compared to a few year's ago."
I agree Derek. I used to post on public boards all the time. Definitely not anymore, though.

I mostly agree with this PT. To me, there isn't much a community feel anymore.
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Johntown327
 
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"There is still a community. There always was."
Yes...speaking for myself, my community is a group of friends that I've been keeping up with for years now.  But, anything more than that...no, there isn't a community.  I'm sorry to sound so morose, but it's true.  We've deteriorated into something that couldn't have even been conceived of way back in 2003 when I joined.
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Rodents210
 
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But for our mature "cliques" that remain in PTs, we're really no better than a *chan board, minus images.
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aNDya
 
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Does that make it any less of a community?
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It sounds as if you are saying that all of ACC will live in harmony if the rules did not exist.  I don't know exactly what your angle is; No Rules or Less Rules.  In any case, I agree that the rules are definitely unfair in some cases, like yours.  I also believe that every society, even ACC, needs rules, to a certain extent, to function properly.
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Johntown327
 
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I don't think the rules themselves are being questioned...I think the focus is on how and to what degree those rules are enforced.
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